Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
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05-09-2016, 10:25 AM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(05-09-2016 09:32 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 03:23 AM)Gloucester Wrote:  And there is no room for the supernatural in this IMHO.
You wish! With violation of equivalence principle was violated also the General Relativity. Such strong destruction of natural laws was surely SUPER.

Let me add to the general public: The technical description of LIGO shows, what the mirrors do not hung freely, isn't it? You have the information from the Wikipedia, haven't you? The Wikipedia is way too primitive source of information.

As usual, you post complete unintelligible nonsense, I can only surmise that you base a misinterpretation of data from LIGO as an argument for the existence of your personal flavor of deity, in this case, since you blathered about Jeebus earlier, I suppose you think this gives some sort of evidence for the jeebus version of god and this is somehow proven because misinterpreted data points to lack of free will or it demonstrates free will? I have no idea what you are talking about, this is completely incoherent. Hobo

It really doesn't matter, there are major divisions in Christianity between Calvinism and free will, Christianity argues BOTH SIDES. Do you understand why this shoots down any argument you want to make?

You can't make an argument for anything that asserts Calvinism or free will as evidence for anything that can be components of whichever sect of Christianity you belong to.

Christianity has schools of thought that pull your philosophical rug out from under you because -IT ARGUES BOTH SIDES! Facepalm

Christianity destroys it's own philosophical underpinning when it argues both sides of an argument.

Also free will and deterministic philosophies can be found in most religions, so all you are doing is saying:

My religion is not falsifiable.

You fail!

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05-09-2016, 01:04 PM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(05-09-2016 10:25 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 09:32 AM)theBorg Wrote:  You wish! With violation of equivalence principle was violated also the General Relativity. Such strong destruction of natural laws was surely SUPER.

Let me add to the general public: The technical description of LIGO shows, what the mirrors do not hung freely, isn't it? You have the information from the Wikipedia, haven't you? The Wikipedia is way too primitive source of information.

As usual, you post complete unintelligible nonsense, I can only surmise that you base a misinterpretation of data from LIGO as an argument for the existence of your personal flavor of deity, in this case, since you blathered about Jeebus earlier, I suppose you think this gives some sort of evidence for the jeebus version of god and this is somehow proven because misinterpreted data points to lack of free will or it demonstrates free will? I have no idea what you are talking about, this is completely incoherent. Hobo

It really doesn't matter, there are major divisions in Christianity between Calvinism and free will, Christianity argues BOTH SIDES. Do you understand why this shoots down any argument you want to make?

You can't make an argument for anything that asserts Calvinism or free will as evidence for anything that can be components of whichever sect of Christianity you belong to.

Christianity has schools of thought that pull your philosophical rug out from under you because -IT ARGUES BOTH SIDES! Facepalm

Christianity destroys it's own philosophical underpinning when it argues both sides of an argument.

Also free will and deterministic philosophies can be found in most religions, so all you are doing is saying:

My religion is not falsifiable.

You fail!

[Image: fail28.jpg]
If we include all the other religions, sects and factions that follow the one true incorporate supernatural imaginary entity the picture gets even worse!

Since they are all worshipping the same thing one might expect some similarities and brotherhood. Not an effing chance!

There are Muslims who would happily chop, or blow, Christians or Jews into shark bait. Jews who are quite happy to return the compliment given the slightest excuse - or a dark alley.. The modern Christians are not so bad, well, most of them - they mostly fight one another. Their history stinks though.

No, give me a nice quiet atheist or humanist who does not shout his stuff on street corners or town centres, does not con thousands out of millions of dollars to pay for mega--churches built for the glorification of their pastor and his or her fleet of luxury limos. And with somewhere very private to abuse the kids or the choir members maybe.

Yes, there are some good people doing good work in the churches, but there are an awful lot of really awtul people in the cracks and crevices as well.

Nothing to do with LIGO but relevant to any connection with religion.

If there was a hell it would be too stuffed with the religious to find room for the petty thieves etc.

Now, which Internet law says this always happens eventually?

Right, that's this month's total rant over with . . . what's next?

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05-09-2016, 01:12 PM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(02-09-2016 12:22 AM)theBorg Wrote:  The theory of this detector of gravitation waves (the discovery was in 2015) is in article in "Soviet Physics JETP", v.16(2), 433, 1963. But there the frequency of the laser radiation is “vibrating”, ie. is changing (when the gravitational wave comes in). But this is forbidden by Einstein's equivalence principle, which states: all observations are the same in all laboratories throughout all the time.

Russian text with the mystical picture (the godless occultism has arrived into Science, see also in Google "the human sacrifice in CERN"), see the link below.
https://www.proza.ru/2016/09/02/371

- That isn't what Einstein's Equivalence Principle states. Try: "The outcome of any local non-gravitational experiment in a freely falling laboratory is independent of the velocity of the laboratory and its location in spacetime." Kindly explain what part of LIGO you think is a non-gravitational experiment.

- The frequency of the lasers in the LIGO interferometers is unchanged. The light source does not "vibrate". The LIGO interferometers function by sending a splitting a laser beam and sending it down two 4 km long paths at right angles to each other. The laser light returns and, because the length of the light paths has been designed this way, destructively interferes. No light is observed at the detector. When a gravity wave passes, it changes the length of the arms, the light paths change length and the two beams no longer interfere destructively. The exact nature of the light observed at the detector can be used to calculate the difference in the length of the two arms and thus the intensity of the gravity waves.

- If we assume that any two laboratories should be able to obtain the same results from the same experiment then any two LIGO detectors should yield the same results. Happily, LIGO employs two detectors, one in Livingston, Louisiana and one near Hanford, Washington. They are used to exclude spurious results detected at only one location. When a tree falls in the forest, LIGO hears it. They are also used to locate the source of the gravity waves. Gravity waves travel at the speed of light so they arrive at one detector very slightly before the other. This is exactly what has been observed.

Try and learn what you're babbling about before you post your next drivel.

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05-09-2016, 09:17 PM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(05-09-2016 09:32 AM)theBorg Wrote:  You wish! With violation of equivalence principle was violated also the General Relativity. Such strong destruction of natural laws was surely SUPER.

Stop pretending you understand science. You don't have a fucking clue. You're just sticking together random articles that have nothing whatsoever to do with the religion that you're addicted to.
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05-09-2016, 09:49 PM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(05-09-2016 09:32 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 03:23 AM)Gloucester Wrote:  And there is no room for the supernatural in this IMHO.
You wish! With violation of equivalence principle was violated also the General Relativity. Such strong destruction of natural laws was surely SUPER.

Let me add to the general public: The technical description of LIGO shows, what the mirrors do not hung freely, isn't it? You have the information from the Wikipedia, haven't you? The Wikipedia is way too primitive source of information.

Wait....

You're still here? Why?
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06-09-2016, 01:36 AM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(05-09-2016 09:49 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 09:32 AM)theBorg Wrote:  You wish! With violation of equivalence principle was violated also the General Relativity. Such strong destruction of natural laws was surely SUPER.

Let me add to the general public: The technical description of LIGO shows, what the mirrors do not hung freely, isn't it? You have the information from the Wikipedia, haven't you? The Wikipedia is way too primitive source of information.

Wait....

You're still here? Why?
Because, like all of his ilk, he is so besotted with his beliefs and delusions he cannot see that he is so wrong and merely proving us with practice in refutation of woo.

He is another variation of Pahu. I am surprised he hasn't wangled creativity into the argument somehow!

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06-09-2016, 03:28 AM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(05-09-2016 01:12 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  When a gravity wave passes, it changes the length of the arms,
Why? You see: the reflecting mirrors (at the ends of the arms) are not in free-motion. They are rigidly attached to the arms.
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06-09-2016, 03:29 AM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(05-09-2016 09:49 PM)Aliza Wrote:  You're still here? Why?
Jesus Christ tries to save you, that's why.
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06-09-2016, 03:33 AM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
At work.

(06-09-2016 03:28 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 01:12 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  When a gravity wave passes, it changes the length of the arms,
Why? You see: the reflecting mirrors (at the ends of the arms) are not in free-motion. They are rigidly attached to the arms.

Facepalm

Sadly don't have time to explain/elaborate as to the 'Why' the above has missed an important part of the experiment.
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06-09-2016, 04:27 AM
RE: Does detector LIGO work on freewill only?
(06-09-2016 03:29 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 09:49 PM)Aliza Wrote:  You're still here? Why?
Jesus Christ tries to save you, that's why.

Jesus Christ, if he ever existed, is dead.
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