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29-04-2017, 01:13 PM
RE: Does "fate" exist?
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01-05-2017, 07:05 AM
RE: Does "fate" exist?
(29-04-2017 12:32 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(29-04-2017 09:06 AM)whateverist Wrote:  IT MUST! ahhhhhhhh

Do you will it so? Clarify:


Nah it's just my destiny to realize fate is necessary. I wasn't so much willing it as giving fate its props. Wink

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01-05-2017, 07:17 AM
RE: Does "fate" exist?
(01-05-2017 07:05 AM)whateverist Wrote:  
(29-04-2017 12:32 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Do you will it so? Clarify:


Nah it's just my destiny to realize fate is necessary. I wasn't so much willing it as giving fate its props. Wink

Not my will so it must be yours. I can only give props in hindsight. Wink

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01-05-2017, 07:22 AM
RE: Does "fate" exist?
I don't believe in fate, however I do think there are things we do just by our own actions and behavior that produce a particular outcome. So not by fate or the stars aligning etc,. but rather through our *own* actions we can shape our "destiny."
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02-05-2017, 10:33 AM
RE: Does "fate" exist?
(28-04-2017 09:06 AM)Astreja Wrote:  I'm extremely anti-fate. There may be determinism lurking somewhere under the surface, but I proceed on the assumption that the universe has no friggin' clue what's going to happen next, and that at most there are strings of diverging probabilities that one can strategically tweak to one's benefit.

Of course the universe has no friggin' clue, how could it since "it" has no consciousness at least as far as anyone can tell.

I, too, am anti-fate, things happen because they happen; they are not per-determined. That would suggest that something beyond ourselves is the controlling factor both with the universe and human actions, quantum mechanics pretty much rules that out.

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I, also, have the same problem with "cause and effect". Cause and effect are legal concepts that bare no relationship to whatever happened in reality. A train hits a car stuck or unlucky enough to be on a crossing with or without crossing guards. Tell my the cause and effect and I'll give you a number of causes and effects previous to the "accident" going back ad infinitum until the beginnings of the universe is reached, First cause: bullshit.

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04-05-2017, 05:25 PM
RE: Does "fate" exist?
(28-04-2017 06:15 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No.
Look up Heisenberg's "Uncertainty".
Pay attention in Physics class.

Well excuse me for not being able to do basic algebra. Not everyone took Physics class in High school like you did. They don't offer Physics at my old high school.


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