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31-08-2014, 03:14 PM
Does god have to be good?
I am an atheist but I've recently been thinking after reading many many other peoples arguments; Does god HAVE to be good for it's existence to be plausible?

I ask this because one of the main atheist arguments I witness is that the god of the Quran or the Old Testament/Tanak is a malevolent, capricious cunt of a warlord... the logic seems to cut off there and finish with a "therefore he does not exist".

Obviously the arguments are against the representatives of god and if they claim to be good people with superior morals because of an infinitely good deity, while their scripture contradicts these claims, then they are mistaken about their god OR their god is non-existent.

I write this to read other peoples thoughts on the issue. Could it be that god is both ultimately evil and ultimately good and therefore some things are beyond good and evil? (To cheaply borrow the phrase from F.N). That the religious people are simply mistaken fools?

Either way I still think that even if god exists and these religious nuts are just mistaken and are as unknowing as the rest of us, then there is no evidence for his existence either way therefore I have no belief in him.

I think I may be very vague on this subject.. Let me know if you wish for me to narrow down on a point. If any body with a philosophical education care to help me out here I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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31-08-2014, 03:17 PM
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(31-08-2014 03:14 PM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  I am an atheist but I've recently been thinking after reading many many other peoples arguments; Does god HAVE to be good for it's existence to be plausible?

I ask this because one of the main atheist arguments I witness is that the god of the Quran or the Old Testament/Tanak is a malevolent, capricious cunt of a warlord... the logic seems to cut off there and finish with a "therefore he does not exist".

Obviously the arguments are against the representatives of god and if they claim to be good people with superior morals because of an infinitely good deity, while their scripture contradicts these claims, then they are mistaken about their god OR their god is non-existent.

I write this to read other peoples thoughts on the issue. Could it be that god is both ultimately evil and ultimately good and therefore some things are beyond good and evil? (To cheaply borrow the phrase from F.N). That the religious people are simply mistaken fools?

Either way I still think that even if god exists and these religious nuts are just mistaken and are as unknowing as the rest of us, then there is no evidence for his existence either way therefore I have no belief in him.

I think I may be very vague on this subject.. Let me know if you wish for me to narrow down on a point. If any body with a philosophical education care to help me out here I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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31-08-2014, 03:25 PM
RE: Does god have to be good?
(31-08-2014 03:14 PM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  I am an atheist but I've recently been thinking after reading many many other peoples arguments; Does god HAVE to be good for it's existence to be plausible?

I ask this because one of the main atheist arguments I witness is that the god of the Quran or the Old Testament/Tanak is a malevolent, capricious cunt of a warlord... the logic seems to cut off there and finish with a "therefore he does not exist".

Obviously the arguments are against the representatives of god and if they claim to be good people with superior morals because of an infinitely good deity, while their scripture contradicts these claims, then they are mistaken about their god OR their god is non-existent.

I write this to read other peoples thoughts on the issue. Could it be that god is both ultimately evil and ultimately good and therefore some things are beyond good and evil? (To cheaply borrow the phrase from F.N). That the religious people are simply mistaken fools?

Either way I still think that even if god exists and these religious nuts are just mistaken and are as unknowing as the rest of us, then there is no evidence for his existence either way therefore I have no belief in him.

I think I may be very vague on this subject.. Let me know if you wish for me to narrow down on a point. If any body with a philosophical education care to help me out here I would appreciate it. Thanks.

I think more people use that argument to advance an antitheist position rather than an atheist one - certainly an anti-religion stance...


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31-08-2014, 03:36 PM (This post was last modified: 31-08-2014 03:54 PM by One Above All.)
RE: Does god have to be good?
No; a god does not have to be good, but it's definitely a necessary trait in order to be worthy of worship. At least IMO.

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31-08-2014, 03:46 PM
RE: Does god have to be good?
God is good because God creates good.

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31-08-2014, 03:49 PM
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(31-08-2014 03:46 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  God is good because God creates good.

Isaiah 45:7 Wrote:I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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31-08-2014, 03:51 PM
RE: Does god have to be good?
Nope. God doesn't have to be good. He's free to be as shitty as people imagine him to be.

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31-08-2014, 03:54 PM
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Fuck I'm gonna have to tell the witch doctor the garbage collector is acting up again.




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31-08-2014, 03:55 PM
RE: Does god have to be good?
(31-08-2014 03:51 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  Nope. God doesn't have to be good. He's free to be as shitty as people imagine him to be.

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31-08-2014, 03:56 PM
RE: Does god have to be good?
(31-08-2014 03:49 PM)One Above All Wrote:  
(31-08-2014 03:46 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  God is good because God creates good.

Isaiah 45:7 Wrote:I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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Well, yeah but....

We can't judge god with out inferior, god-made morality.
Or some such.

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