Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
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24-11-2010, 05:07 PM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
(24-11-2010 12:36 AM)fr0d0 Wrote:  Power and wealth are the antithesis to religion, and what takes it over.

Actually extremism is pure religion without the involvement of reason or compassion.

It's not that Power or wealth conquer religion but rather that those who take religion to an extreme are following all aspects of a religion to it's purest extent.

This is why people don't still stone rebellious teens to death despite both Yahweh and Jesus calling on us to do so.

People cherry pick all the time from the bibles teachings because they try to take passages they deem as reasonable as the measure of religious faith.

Most people try to attach goodness to god rather then to make the determination if god is indeed god to begin with.
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24-11-2010, 05:56 PM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
Hey Godless

God is reasoned to be good, we don't just label it that way. Extremism is blinkered reasoning... it's religion narrowed down to fit your purpose. That's cherry picking.

Murder in the name of God is anti God, because of the way we have defined God. To justify killing takes more knowledge than I think we can possess, though we kill sentient life forms for food which is supposedly just in our minds. Making a moral decision on a contemporaries right to live based upon their past performance... I don't think we're equipped to judge.
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24-11-2010, 06:39 PM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
Quote:Murder in the name of God is anti God, because of the way we have defined God.

Have you actually read the bible? In case you haven't, here is a brief synopsis of the Old Testament.

First, God creates the Earth, the animals, Adam, Eve, etc. Then, he reveals himself to Abraham and has him go to Egypt so all his people can be slaves for 400 years for reasons that are not ever really explained. Next Moses leads the Hebrews out of Egypt, takes them to Mt. Sinai and gives him these 15 ... I mean 10, 10 commandments, which includes "Thou shalt not kill". Then, God goes on a murderous rampage where he wastes just about every single person the Hebrews come into contact with. The last two-thirds of the thing are like a Quentin Tarrentino film with various Jewish leaders taking up the call to "waste the motherfuckers". If you put all the gallons of blood spilled into Olympic size swimming pools you would probably need a good 50 of them to contain it all.

Or, is it not murder when God does it?

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24-11-2010, 06:44 PM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
No it's justified killing. The correct translation is "thou shall not murder".
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24-11-2010, 07:12 PM
 
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of the sun.
For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before the sun.
And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth, but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died.

That is a quote from Samuel...

So, it is justified when God kills an innocent baby? And if God is responsible for everything, then is he not responsible for all "murders"? Or is whatever God does cool with you because that is the foundation of faith?
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25-11-2010, 12:28 AM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
Hey, BnW.

I'm the one that said you did it.

Peace and Love and Empathy,

Matt
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25-11-2010, 07:39 AM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
(24-11-2010 07:12 PM)TruthAddict Wrote:  So, it is justified when God kills an innocent baby? And if God is responsible for everything, then is he not responsible for all "murders"? Or is whatever God does cool with you because that is the foundation of faith?
YOU are judging that the baby is innocent, and claiming therefore to know as much as God does who knows everything. Simply > you can't judge.

God isn't 'responsible' for evil, because evil is the opposising force. Because he is +ve, then there has to exist a -ve. Creation co exists with destruction. Two forces.
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25-11-2010, 07:57 AM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
How is a baby not innocent? How is a baby born guilty of sin?

As for the bible and this "justifiable killing" you speak of, let's examine this a little. So, the Jews walk the dessert for 40 years and finally Joshua leads them to the promised land. The problem is that people, called collectively the Canaanites (although they were probably of different tribes), already live there. So, to resolve that conundrum, God had Joshua and the Hebrews basically kill everyone they encountered, starting with Jericho. They went town to town to town and just slaughtered all these people whom the bible claims were "wicked". But, all of them? All these people needed to die? Does that really make sense?

Now, if you do some Googling on this, you'll see no shortage of Christian sites trying to either justify this by saying "yes, they were all evil, ever single one of them" or trying to back pedal and say god actually let the good people live. The problem with this latter claim is it clearly contradicts the biblical account.

Quote:God isn't 'responsible' for evil, because evil is the opposising force. Because he is +ve, then there has to exist a -ve. Creation co exists with destruction. Two forces.

Why? If god created everything then why do we need evil and destruction? Couldn't he have not created these things?

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25-11-2010, 08:08 AM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
None of which answers the question BnW of how you would ever know that God wasn't being just.

Why: it's how natural existence works. He could have created it differently sure, but he didn't. We can theorise how we might have done it better, or come up with different models, and maybe one that is reasonably better in all ways. Maybe such a reality exists in another dimension.
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25-11-2010, 08:11 AM
RE: Does it matter if an Atheist doesn't fully understand evolution?
Quote:We can theorise how we might have done it better, or come up with different models, and maybe one that is reasonably better in all ways.

So, we can come up with a better model of creation but we can't question why he kills babies?

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