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27-04-2017, 10:00 PM
Does life really exist?
Do we really even live?, is life anything really even more than just a different combination of atoms that we consider to be lifeless? How can we really even be sure that we are nothing more than just thinking non life? A mass of small pieces of the universe that has collected into a consciousness so the universe can think about itself?

We ARE the universe itself after all, just merely a small part of it, and the universe itself is most certainly non life. Yet here we are, made out of absolutely nothing anything else in the universe is made out of and we consider ourselves special because we are somehow the masters of everything that is not our "kind" of combination of atoms. DNA is just atoms, acid is just atoms, the particles that make up our thoughts and emotions are nothing special that doesn't exist anywhere else, everywhere else in the universe. So how can we really be sure that we are actually alive?

What IS alive? What IS living? Can we really be sure that we are really anything more than just the same as that rock over there, that tree, that STAR from whence we came?


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27-04-2017, 11:03 PM (This post was last modified: 28-04-2017 08:44 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Does life really exist?
Yeah it does.

life
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noun
1.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

Rocks don't have babies.

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27-04-2017, 11:10 PM (This post was last modified: 27-04-2017 11:13 PM by kim.)
RE: Does life really exist?
(27-04-2017 10:00 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  --- and the universe itself is most certainly non life.

.... brought me to a screeching halt, it did. Shy






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27-04-2017, 11:14 PM
RE: Does life really exist?
(27-04-2017 10:00 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  Do we really even live?

Yes.

Quote:is life anything really even more than just a different combination of atoms that we consider to be lifeless? How can we really even be sure that we are nothing more than just thinking non life? A mass of small pieces of the universe that has collected into a consciousness so the universe can think about itself?

We know we're living because we have cells...

Quote:We ARE the universe itself after all, just merely a small part of it, and the universe itself is most certainly non life.

Fallacy of composition

Quote:Yet here we are, made out of absolutely nothing anything else in the universe is made out of and we consider ourselves special because we are somehow the masters of everything that is not our "kind" of combination of atoms. DNA is just atoms, acid is just atoms, the particles that make up our thoughts and emotions are nothing special that doesn't exist anywhere else, everywhere else in the universe. So how can we really be sure that we are actually alive?

Because WE HAVE CELLS. Someone is not paying attention in biology class.

Quote:What IS alive? What IS living? Can we really be sure that we are really anything more than just the same as that rock over there, that tree, that STAR from whence we came?

Being alive means you have cells. Living is the state of being alive. We have cells and conscious thought while rocks, trees, and stars don't.

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27-04-2017, 11:23 PM
RE: Does life really exist?
(27-04-2017 11:03 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Yeah it does.
life
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noun
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the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

Rocks don't have babies.

That's about it, really. If we make a simple scientific definition, we can easily proceed. If we attempt to be more spiritual about it, we quickly run into problems.

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27-04-2017, 11:34 PM
RE: Does life really exist?
(27-04-2017 11:03 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Yeah it does.
life
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the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

Rocks don't have babies.

Yeah, and that is how our "combination" of non life acts though, a rock does not produce fusion, but a star does, but a star can make a rock. They are just different combinations of the same elements. Death doesn't exist, it is just the end of one state of that combination of atoms as it transitions over to another state.

In fact, we are not even a set of individual atoms, but the combination there of, our bodies flush them all out each year with a copy of another just exactly like it. Just waking up in the morning basically means someone new has woken up in your place with some of your memories. Sure, what we call life acts differently than what non life does, but the same thing can be said about anything that is made up of a different combination of stuff. X thing out there cannot do Y, and Y things do not have Z traits like Z does.

So, how can we really be sure if we are anything more than a different combination of non life stuff?


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27-04-2017, 11:42 PM
RE: Does life really exist?
Only with the discovery of some unique component, I think.

I feel it's quite possible there is no such thing, and that we're just the same stuff acting in different ways.

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28-04-2017, 01:27 AM
RE: Does life really exist?
Life exists I don't know why we live or how we live but life exists
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28-04-2017, 05:51 AM
RE: Does life really exist?
(27-04-2017 11:34 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  In fact, we are not even a set of individual atoms, but the combination there of, our bodies flush them all out each year with a copy of another just exactly like it.

The copy is like no other. Like Naielis said, pay attention in Biology class. It's called DNA.

Quote:someone new has woken up in your place with some of your memories. Sure, what we call life acts differently than what non life does, but the same thing can be said about anything that is made up of a different combination of stuff. X thing out there cannot do Y, and Y things do not have Z traits like Z does.

Nothing replicates like life does.

Quote:So, how can we really be sure if we are anything more than a different combination of non life stuff?

DNA, (meiosis and mitosis)
Pay attention in Biology class.

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28-04-2017, 05:52 AM
RE: Does life really exist?
(27-04-2017 11:34 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  ...
So, how can we really be sure if we are anything more than a different combination of non life stuff?

More? That's loaded.

We are different combinations of non-life stuff, evolved from common ancestors ... H & He.

Yes

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