Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
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19-01-2016, 02:01 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 01:42 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 01:39 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  The ground at the bottom of the cliff seems to think so.
It is an untestable hypothesis.
Therefore completely useless & should not be believed in.

... You're saying that the idea that the ground at the bottom of a cliff is hard is an "untestable hypothesis". Pray what is a testable hypothesis then?

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19-01-2016, 02:02 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 01:42 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 01:39 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  The ground at the bottom of the cliff seems to think so.
It is an untestable hypothesis.
Therefore completely useless & should not be believed in.

I can think of a test for that reality.

But it'd be messy.

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19-01-2016, 02:03 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 02:01 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 01:42 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  It is an untestable hypothesis.
Therefore completely useless & should not be believed in.

... You're saying that the idea that the ground at the bottom of a cliff is hard is an "untestable hypothesis". Pray what is a testable hypothesis then?
No. The belief in "Reality existing regardless of how you perceive it" is untestable in the same way God's existence is untestable.
It is a completely useless belief and therefore should not be believed in.
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19-01-2016, 02:06 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 02:03 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 02:01 AM)morondog Wrote:  ... You're saying that the idea that the ground at the bottom of a cliff is hard is an "untestable hypothesis". Pray what is a testable hypothesis then?
No. The belief in "Reality existing regardless of how you perceive it" is untestable in the same way God's existence is untestable.
It is a completely useless belief and therefore should not be believed in.

Um. I would more take it as an axiom. You gotta start somewhere with logic. It doesn't seem very useful to doubt that some external reality exists. I say this as a figment of your imagination.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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19-01-2016, 02:08 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 02:06 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 02:03 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  No. The belief in "Reality existing regardless of how you perceive it" is untestable in the same way God's existence is untestable.
It is a completely useless belief and therefore should not be believed in.

Um. I would more take it as an axiom. You gotta start somewhere with logic. It doesn't seem very useful to doubt that some external reality exists. I say this as a figment of your imagination.
How is it useful?.
Any belief that cannot be tested is pretty much useless. Like God's existence.
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19-01-2016, 02:31 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 02:08 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  ...
Any belief that cannot be tested is pretty much useless. Like God's existence.

I believe that I'm drop-dead gorgeous.

I find this delusion most useful.

Yes

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19-01-2016, 02:43 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 02:08 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 02:06 AM)morondog Wrote:  Um. I would more take it as an axiom. You gotta start somewhere with logic. It doesn't seem very useful to doubt that some external reality exists. I say this as a figment of your imagination.
How is it useful?.
Any belief that cannot be tested is pretty much useless. Like God's existence.

It's useful 'cos we can describe external reality, do experiments, make predictions and make stuff like computers. Justify to me why navel gazing is better?

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19-01-2016, 02:46 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 02:31 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 02:08 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  ...
Any belief that cannot be tested is pretty much useless. Like God's existence.

I believe that I'm drop-dead gorgeous.

I find this delusion most useful.

Yes

We all do! Wink

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19-01-2016, 05:26 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(19-01-2016 02:43 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 02:08 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  How is it useful?.
Any belief that cannot be tested is pretty much useless. Like God's existence.

It's useful 'cos we can describe external reality, do experiments, make predictions and make stuff like computers. Justify to me why navel gazing is better?
Your description of external reality would be absolutely useless.
If you could do experiments then it wouldn't have been called untestable or unpredictable.
How does belief in an untestable hypothesis help us make computers?
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19-01-2016, 10:32 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
As fun as it is to equivocate in circles for 250 posts...

In the strictest sense it is impossible to prove or know anything beyond your own perceptions. This supposition is also useless and irrelevant.

Have any interesting points been made here?

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