Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
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21-01-2016, 09:49 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 09:18 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 09:09 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Missing points seems to be his specialty.
That's weird.
Wasn't that what you did?
Missed the point & left the conversation after I showed you where you missed the point?
Don't make me repost your replies & make you run away again. Laughat
I'm warning you.
I'll do it. I swear.
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There is a difference in that Thumpalumpacus missed your point, and you just continually ignore them. Subtle difference...but a difference.

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21-01-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 09:01 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 08:52 AM)Chas Wrote:  Asked and answered. You seem to have missed it.
1st part:
Your reality dies with you
Obvious

2nd part:
Leaving reality for everyone else to perceive.
Mental fappery

Didn't miss it, you're just fapping in public and I'm just commenting about it.

You missed the explanation by me and others in all the other posts. Drinking Beverage

Do you actually believe there is no underlying reality that is perceived through the senses?

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21-01-2016, 10:00 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 09:18 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 09:09 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Missing points seems to be his specialty.
That's weird.
Wasn't that what you did?
Missed the point & left the conversation after I showed you where you missed the point?
Don't make me repost your replies & make you run away again. Laughat
I'm warning you.
I'll do it. I swear.
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Empty threat.

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21-01-2016, 10:21 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 09:49 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 09:18 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  That's weird.
Wasn't that what you did?
Missed the point & left the conversation after I showed you where you missed the point?
Don't make me repost your replies & make you run away again. Laughat
I'm warning you.
I'll do it. I swear.
Tongue
There is a difference in that Thumpalumpacus missed your point, and you just continually ignore them. Subtle difference...but a difference.
Repeatedly misquoting someone
Even when they tell you that is not what they are saying
Even when they prove to you "your quote doesn't exactly repeat the author's statement"
Even when you admit it's not exactly what they told you word for word
Even when there is disagreement as to the meaning of what was said
Even when the author of what was said is explaining what he means by it
Even when they tell you "for the sake of simplicity, ignore the first post if you can't get my point"
Even when they tell you the point in simpler terms
Even when you admit the new point is not what you thought the original point to mean

You stil harp on the inferred meaning of the old point as if to say
"I know what the author was trying to say more than he did"

We both already passed that stage in the discussion, I have to go back in time just to discuss things with you.
It's going to end up in circles and waste time when we should be much further ahead in the discussion.
You dishonestly refuse to move ahead in the discussion.
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21-01-2016, 10:24 AM (This post was last modified: 21-01-2016 10:35 AM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 10:00 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 09:18 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  That's weird.
Wasn't that what you did?
Missed the point & left the conversation after I showed you where you missed the point?
Don't make me repost your replies & make you run away again. Laughat
I'm warning you.
I'll do it. I swear.
Tongue

Empty threat.
It wasn't addressed to you and I'm actually serious about it in a passive sort of way.
The chances are high if I repeat our discussion he will run away again.

This is how our conversation went:

Shane: "Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?"
Thump: "The ground at the bottom of the cliff seems to think so."
Shane: "It is an untestable hypothesis."
Thump: "It's pretty testable to those willing to jump ... and those cleaning up the mess."
Shane: "What do you think you are testing for? Providing you lived. You will be severely injured, in pain & proven that you your perception of reality is 100% real. Which is the same thing I believe in. The question still lies "what exists outside of perception?"
Thump: "Yet here you are interacting with people. That seems to me to indicate that you don't believe what you are propounding."
Shane: "I am propounding that the reality I perceive via personal experience is 100% real. I am unsure about anything else, but we don't propound uncertainty now do we?"
Thump: "The question is useless, given that your question has an inbuilt and undemonstrated claim."
Shane: "My question is not a claim nor does it have one."
Thump: "It has a claim built into it. Please read what I write to avoid misunderstandings." "You're conflating "real" and "objective". The two words are not homonyms."
Shane: "I don't see the claim. Maybe I am wrong. Can you tell me what the claim is?"
Thump: "You shouldn't be using sophistry, is my point. Thoughts can be real, but they still aren't objective, by definition"
Thump: "Built into your question is the assumption that something exists outside of perception. That is a claim. It is also an unfounded claim. I'm looking forward to you explaining that without appealing to sensory perception to make your point"
Shane: I" am glad you see the absurdity of the question. There are many in this thread that would have us believe that they can prove reality exists outside of perception."
Thump: Then why did you ask twice for me to explain why it was absurd? You better watch out, quick turns like this one are bound to give you whiplash. 3/10, I've seen many more artful. You have a nice day.
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21-01-2016, 10:38 AM (This post was last modified: 21-01-2016 10:53 AM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 09:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 09:01 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  1st part:
Your reality dies with you
Obvious

2nd part:
Leaving reality for everyone else to perceive.
Mental fappery

Didn't miss it, you're just fapping in public and I'm just commenting about it.

You missed the explanation by me and others in all the other posts. Drinking Beverage

Do you actually believe there is no underlying reality that is perceived through the senses?
No I don't believe that "there is no underlying reality that is perceived through the senses?"
I never once made that claim.
I claim "I don't know" not "I don't believe"
It's an agnostic type statement not an atheist type statement.

You guys are arguing against someone that says "I don't believe"
I am not the person you are arguing against, this is why this discussion is getting nowhere.
It's just rude of me not to reply if the questions are addressed to me, even if it's not about me.
Would you have preferred I just ignored you?
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21-01-2016, 10:39 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
Man, you know someone's a bad troll when they resort to just parroting retorts.

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21-01-2016, 10:48 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 10:39 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Man, you know someone's a bad troll when they resort to just parroting retorts.
Cjlr, you're actually one of the people that agreed with my claim though. It doesn't make me right or wrong but I appreciate the honesty.
Not sure how to rep people though.
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21-01-2016, 10:51 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 10:48 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 10:39 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Man, you know someone's a bad troll when they resort to just parroting retorts.
Cjlr, you're actually one of the people that agreed with my claim though. It doesn't make me right or wrong but I appreciate the honesty.
Not sure how to rep people though.

I didn't particularly agree with you; I tried to comment and you mischaracterised me in your response.

You can't give rep while negative yourself.

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21-01-2016, 11:01 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 10:51 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 10:48 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Cjlr, you're actually one of the people that agreed with my claim though. It doesn't make me right or wrong but I appreciate the honesty.
Not sure how to rep people though.

I didn't particularly agree with you; I tried to comment and you mischaracterised me in your response.

You can't give rep while negative yourself.
You did agree that we cannot know anything for certain outside our perception.
That is the same thing I am saying and it's also the very topic of this Thread.
"I do not know" is such an honest statement to make when you're in doubt.

I know it's a hard nut to swallow when you end up agreeing with someone you dislike. I can't help you here. You will either have to change your stance or continue agreeing with me on that point because I'm not about to change my stance.
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