Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
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22-01-2016, 07:40 AM (This post was last modified: 22-01-2016 11:39 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 06:20 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 05:46 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Not even the ancient Greek philosophers?
The same way your mother would be useful to you
Philosophy is the mother of all Science.
It laid the foundation for:
Mathematics
Jurisprudence
Physics
The scientific method
Computer science
Information theory

Logic is based on philosophy
In fact almost everything has a basis in philosophy.
Ever wondered why over 90% of articles on Wikipedia links back to Philosophy?

It's a necessary component of cognitive thinking.
http://xefer.com//wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi...Philosophy

Use Xefer to see how Philosophy affects any topic you can possibly think of.
What is the most important topic in the world to you.
Try it, It's roots will always end up in Philosophy.

It also laid the foundations for Aquinas and Anselm. Hobo

It is perfectly possible to construct a flawlessly logical system that does not obtain.
Your philosobabble without evidence is worthless.

Quote:I am certain of nothing except my existence.

Yet here you are trying to convince others of that, and using a system of language and specific tools to communicate that.
If you really believed that, you would be doing neither.

Quote:I am not a solipsist.

Right Facepalm

sol-ip-sism
[sol-ip-siz-uh m]
1.
Philosophy. the theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.

Since AgnosticShane is compelled to take a formal stand with respect to "god" or "a god", (or gods) he needs to provide a coherent definition of this concept "god" which he finds so compelling, real, and logical that he needs to proclaim a formal position, with respect to.

We also need a definition of "certanity" and how that differs from "uncertain" and a description of the process of how each are arrived at, and measured or determined.

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22-01-2016, 10:47 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(21-01-2016 11:22 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Can't beat free.
Actually you can, proving you know as much about Civil War era Economics as you do about anything else you have talked about. Not very much.

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22-01-2016, 11:00 AM (This post was last modified: 22-01-2016 11:09 AM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 07:34 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(22-01-2016 06:53 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Why reply to a useless thread?

If I only replied to threads that had a point, life wouldn't be fun. I replied because the issue of the use of philosophy arose and I had something to say about it.

In your scenario you made use of the thread by having fun with it.
Do you then deny it served you a purpose?
Would you still make the claim it was a useless/pointless/purposeless thread?
What exactly makes something useless/purposeless/pointless?
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22-01-2016, 11:14 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 10:47 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(21-01-2016 11:22 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Can't beat free.
Actually you can, proving you know as much about Civil War era Economics as you do about anything else you have talked about. Not very much.
Disregarding the op.
The question still lies:
How was slavery not useful to the plantation owners?
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22-01-2016, 11:15 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 11:00 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(22-01-2016 07:34 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  If I only replied to threads that had a point, life wouldn't be fun. I replied because the issue of the use of philosophy arose and I had something to say about it.

In your scenario you made use of the thread by having fun with it.
Do you then deny it served you a purpose?
Would you still make the claim it was a useless/pointless/purposeless thread?
What exactly makes something useless/purposeless/pointless?
She never said it was useless, that was another person's claim

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22-01-2016, 11:19 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 07:40 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  We also need a definition of "certanity" and how that differs from "uncertain" and a description of the process of how each are arrived at, and measured or determined.

Outside of formal systems where certainty is rigorously defined best we can do is p-value<0.05. Out here in the real world 95% probable qualifies as almost certain.

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22-01-2016, 11:39 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 11:15 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(22-01-2016 11:00 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  In your scenario you made use of the thread by having fun with it.
Do you then deny it served you a purpose?
Would you still make the claim it was a useless/pointless/purposeless thread?
What exactly makes something useless/purposeless/pointless?
She never said it was useless, that was another person's claim
I stand corrected although I did have purposeless in there as well.
Let me rephrase the question:
Even if you can't see the purpose of this thread can it still be useful?
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22-01-2016, 11:42 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 11:39 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Even if you can't see the purpose of this thread can it still be useful?
It has been useful but is at risk of becoming tedious. How are you so certain of your existence? I'm not.

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22-01-2016, 11:46 AM
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 11:19 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(22-01-2016 07:40 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  We also need a definition of "certanity" and how that differs from "uncertain" and a description of the process of how each are arrived at, and measured or determined.

Outside of formal systems where certainty is rigorously defined best we can do is p-value<0.05. Out here in the real world 95% probable qualifies as almost certain.

Yeah, that "p" thingy is the first thing I look at when my spreadsheets import data, and spit out the stats results. I do a little dance when I get : 3.7917E-113. Big Grin

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22-01-2016, 12:04 PM (This post was last modified: 22-01-2016 12:09 PM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?
(22-01-2016 11:42 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(22-01-2016 11:39 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Even if you can't see the purpose of this thread can it still be useful?
It has been useful but is at risk of becoming tedious. How are you so certain of your existence? I'm not.
There was a misunderstanding of my statement. I corrected it a few pages back and took responsibility for it as well. The flaw lies in the word absolute.
I should have avoided using the word because it can be interpreted differently if not properly explained.
Absolute Certainty within our perceivable reality is not the highest conceivable form of reality.

The claim I was trying to make is:
Absolute certainty within my perceivable reality
And not
Absolute certainty within my conceivable reality

The latter being the highest form of certainty on the spectrum of certainty
You will never find me arguing on behalf of the latter in this entire thread (at least I don't think that I did)

Posters were debating me on the latter while I was only defending the former. It took me a while to realize it and after I pointed it out everyone stopped arguing.

I did state "my absolute certainty from a subjective stand point" but when the replies started to reel in I didn't realize they were arguing against "absolute certainty from an objective stand point."

If I had realized it early enough I would have corrected it, but I failed and thus accept full responsibility for what has happened.
I am the original poster and therefore it is my responsibility to make sure everyone understands my point of view properly.

Once again I apologize for unknowingly wasting so much of everyone's time.

I will make a conscious effort to not let it happen again.
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