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08-07-2017, 08:51 AM (This post was last modified: 08-07-2017 09:12 PM by slw0606.)
Dogmatic Atheism?
Yes, I am a former Evangelical Christian. Yes, I am now a full fledged atheist. And a well informed atheist I might add.

I fully understand the word atheist means a person who is not a theist, a person who does not believe in a deity or deities.

I have CHOSEN to stop believing in God because there is no evidence of such a being.

But atheists need to be careful we do not fall into the same trap as dogmatic believers.

There is no proof God exists and it is a honest response to live one's life accordingly.

But it is not being intellectually honest to say, definitively, God does not exist.

UPDATE: Since I cannot delete this thread, let me just say I now see it was condescending and I apologize for that..
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08-07-2017, 08:57 AM
RE: Dogmatic Atheism?
(08-07-2017 08:51 AM)slw0606 Wrote:  Yes, I am a former Evangelical Christian. Yes, I am now a full fledged atheist. And a well informed atheist I might add.

What is full fledged atheist? And what it mean to be well informed atheist? You disbelieve harder than atheists who aren't so well informed?

Quote:I have CHOSEN to stop believing in God because there is no evidence of such a being.

That's great.

Quote:But atheists need to be careful we do not fall into the same trap as dogmatic believers.

There's no we.

Quote:There is no proof God exists and it is a honest response to live one's life accordingly.

That's right though I would say there's not even shred for existence of some nebulous something called god and said nebulous something looks suspiciously man made - like god of the bible who is just petty tyrant.

Quote:But it is not being intellectually honest to say, definitively, God does not exist.

Is someone here saying that?

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08-07-2017, 09:07 AM
RE: Dogmatic Atheism?
(08-07-2017 08:51 AM)slw0606 Wrote:  I have CHOSEN to stop believing in God because there is no evidence of such a being.

That is NOT how it works. Belief and disbelief are hardly a choice.

Try harder, oh, not-so-full-fledged one.

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There is no "we", few people are claiming that god doesn't exist for sure and dogmatic atheism makes as much sense as an expression, as the idea of god. If not less.

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08-07-2017, 09:11 AM
RE: Dogmatic Atheism?
I can't "choose" whether to accept/believe something that is :
a. undefined, and for which
b. there is no evidence.

Dismissing nonsense is dismissing nonsense.
Yeah, I *can* say the gods don't exist. The Western "God" developed from the Babylonian pantheon, (Yahweh Sabaoth was one of the sons of the chief Babylonian god, El Elyon).
I can be as certain as I can be of anything, "that guy" doesn't exist.

What I can't be certain of, is whether pink sparkly unicorns exist. Facepalm

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08-07-2017, 09:13 AM
RE: Dogmatic Atheism?
(08-07-2017 08:51 AM)slw0606 Wrote:  But it is not being intellectually honest to say, definitively, God does not exist.
Okay. But you are still talking about "God" as though the Christian god were the only one anyone ever believed in. There are more than 3000 gods that have been, or are still being worshiped somewhere in the world. So if we are being intellectually honest, then we have to admit that, while there is no evidence for any of them, any or all of them are a possibility, however remote.

I like to contemplate the non-existence of one god per day, so it takes me about a decade to get through all of them, if I take a vacation now and then. (On Leap Day, I think about the possibility that all 3000+ gods actually do exist, which might account for the chaotic nature of the world.) Today is my day to contemplate the existence of Chhinnamasta who, according to myth: "Is the nude self-decapitated goddess, usually standing or seated on a divine copulating couple, holds her own severed head in one hand, a scimitar in another. Three jets of blood spurt out of her bleeding neck and are drunk by her severed head and two attendants." While I have seen no shred of evidence that this goddess exists, she has as much probability of existence as your Christian god. Not to mention that she is a bit more interesting. Angel
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08-07-2017, 09:14 AM
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(08-07-2017 08:57 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  What is full fledged atheist? And what it mean to be well informed atheist?

I have a certificate.
I'm a fully certified 91.287 % atheist.
After I get 5 more CEUs, I get my 95 %.

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08-07-2017, 09:19 AM
RE: Dogmatic Atheism?
(08-07-2017 09:07 AM)Vera Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 08:51 AM)slw0606 Wrote:  I have CHOSEN to stop believing in God because there is no evidence of such a being.

That is NOT how it works. Belief and disbelief are hardly a choice.

Try harder, oh, not-so-full-fledged one.

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There is no "we", few people are claiming that god doesn't exist for sure and dogmatic atheism makes as much sense as an expression, as the idea of god. If not less.

Interesting. So you were compelled to believe or not believe?
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08-07-2017, 09:21 AM
RE: Dogmatic Atheism?
(08-07-2017 09:19 AM)slw0606 Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 09:07 AM)Vera Wrote:  That is NOT how it works. Belief and disbelief are hardly a choice.

Try harder, oh, not-so-full-fledged one.

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There is no "we", few people are claiming that god doesn't exist for sure and dogmatic atheism makes as much sense as an expression, as the idea of god. If not less.

Interesting. So you were compelled to believe or not believe?

Get back to me when you can choose to believe that you can fly unassisted, and are willing to put your choice to the test.

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08-07-2017, 09:22 AM
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(08-07-2017 09:11 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I can't "choose" whether to accept/believe something that is :
a. undefined, and for which
b. there is no evidence.

Dismissing nonsense is dismissing nonsense.
Yeah, I *can* say the gods don't exist. The Western "God" developed from the Babylonian pantheon, (Yahweh Sabaoth was one of the sons of the chief Babylonian god, El Elyon).
I can be as certain as I can be of anything, "that guy" doesn't exist.

What I can't be certain of, is whether pink sparkly unicorns exist. Facepalm

I simply disagree with your assertion that you did not choose to not believe something based on lack of evidence. You certainly did NOT control the lack of evidence, but you chose to not believe BECAUSE of lack of evidence. No one forced you not to believe.
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08-07-2017, 09:22 AM
RE: Dogmatic Atheism?
(08-07-2017 08:51 AM)slw0606 Wrote:  Yes, I am a former Evangelical Christian. Yes, I am now a full fledged atheist. And a well informed atheist I might add.

I fully understand the word atheist means a person who is not a theist, a person who does not believe in a deity or deities.

I have CHOSEN to stop believing in God because there is no evidence of such a being.

But atheists need to be careful we do not fall into the same trap as dogmatic believers.

There is no proof God exists and it is a honest response to live one's life accordingly.

But it is not being intellectually honest to say, definitively, God does not exist.

As I stated in another thread, you should not just re-purpose your evangelizing skills to serve a new agenda.
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