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15-02-2016, 05:19 PM
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
(15-02-2016 05:01 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(15-02-2016 04:45 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  [

I think you'd be more human if you had pets, that's all.

The theists think you'd be happier with Jebus.....

You buying into that too???

No, I just think that pet owners are much less of a prick than ...
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15-02-2016, 05:42 PM
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
Alright folks you heard it our pets are not special there is no bond, get used to it folks kitty and fido are just waiting for you to fall of your perch so they can chow down on your soft fleshy bits ( which in my case is pretty much all of me) Tongue Big Grin
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15-02-2016, 05:47 PM
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I don't care what biker thinks or says regarding pets. I would rather spend time with my dogs and cat (and even the parrots) than with most people I know.

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15-02-2016, 06:07 PM
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
(15-02-2016 05:47 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I don't care what biker thinks or says regarding pets. I would rather spend time with my dogs and cat (and even the parrots) than with most people I know.

When my pooch jumps up beside me and puts her head on my lap and gazes at me I see pure love... No food involved
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15-02-2016, 06:15 PM (This post was last modified: 15-02-2016 07:24 PM by Dom.)
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
(15-02-2016 05:02 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(15-02-2016 04:43 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  I did post evidence #74, but you're too busy acting an ass to even read your own thread.

You posted something that says of itself, that it's inconclusive...

Read the last paragraph.

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It does NOT say pets love people.

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I am not going to write a paper on hormones for you. I am also not doing your research for you. If you want some reading, you can start here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions

And no, you can't skim one article and think you get it. These articles are designed for easy reading, so you can do it. They do give a glimpse and will give you points to research.

You grew up in an environment where the thought of the animals you raised for slaughter feeling the same pain and having the same emotions as you would have caused major cognitive dissonance. That is why you cannot perceive these things. That is the way humans have been for a very long time - there is a filter in place that allows you to treat animals the same as plants.

They are, in fact, not the same as plants. They feel pain the same as you do, as well as fear. They have a central nervous system, and share our hormones. They feel rejection more than you because to them it means being ousted from the pack and vulnerable. They develop strong emotional attachments.

But I also concur with you on the fact that many people project their own feelings onto their animals. The most harmful projection is guilt - a human trait. Dogs place the most value on body language, and if you come home to a wrecked shoe or something, they react in fear because they see your anger. They are NOT feeling guilty, they are scared and that is what their body language conveys. They have no clue what you are mad about. If it happens a lot they will be super nervous when you leave because they connect your anger with your return. So now they chew even more and end up in a shelter or being killed.

I also agree with you that animals do not understand many things that people think they do. Teaching animals takes skill. They do not think the way we do.

But - they do think. When we train police canines, we teach them rational disobedience. We teach the dog to override our instructions if the dog assesses the situation differently. Why? Because the dog knows better. They understand possible danger better than we do. And we can trust them to put their lives on the line for us.

Or maybe you just don't get that, like other animals, you are primarily driven by your DNA and the unique chemical balance in your body. The free will part is minute in comparison. Perhaps that is where your problem (with understanding animals the same way most of us do) originates. You think you are actually in control. We know better these days, and no, I am not going to present you with studies, I don't have time for doing your research for you.

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15-02-2016, 06:20 PM
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
What is love? What's it made out of?

Don't let those gnomes and their illusions get you down. They're just gnomes and illusions.

--Jake the Dog, Adventure Time

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15-02-2016, 06:22 PM
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
(15-02-2016 06:20 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  What is love? What's it made out of?

Hormones, mostly oxytocin.

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15-02-2016, 09:26 PM
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
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I know the type.



I think that the reason I truly despise people using "adopted" for the procurement of animals is the "why" -- that the term came to it's current usage.

Animal rights whackadoodles --- I'm talking the type that think "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy" -- Ingrid Newkirk asshats --- self loathing, human hating fuckholes who would rejoice at the demise of the human race ------ started using the word "adopted" to describe the transaction of property transfer, when someone gets a pet.

Pets are not people folks.

Never have been, and as far as I'm concerned, never should be.

Humans have rights.

Animals have whatever leniency their owners bestow upon them.

I have the right to walk down the street. I can buy, own, and dispose of property (including pets) as I see fit.

Your cute and cuddly pet does not.

Adopting animals?


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There is so much wrong with these comments:

Thinking humans are more important in the grand scheme of things than animals and thinking animals also have value and deserve to be treated well are NOT mutually exclusive concepts. They just aren't. If there is a baby and a puppy in a burning building and I can rescue only one, it's no contest. The baby wins out every time. If I can rescue both, I will. I sure as shit wouldn't throw the puppy INTO the fire, and anyone who would has a serious problem.

You are blatantly wrong when you say animals have whatever rights you choose to give them. Animals do and should have rights. They are technically considered property, but in most jurisdictions, you are required to provide food, shelter, water, and basic medical care to an animal. They fall somewhere between a human and an inanimate object on the spectrum of rights. You can shut your sofa in a spare room and completely neglect its 'needs' (cleaning, dusting, etc). You cannot do the same to a pet. You can take your sofa out in the yard and chop it up with an ax. Try that with an animal, and you will rightfully be charged with a crime.
Even animals slaughtered for food are protected with minimum welfare standards for housing and slaughter.

Using the term 'adoption' in no way minimizes the adoption of humans, at least not the way I use it. Yes, I adopted my animals. Yes, I (gasp, horror!) call myself their 'mom'. They are the most important non-human things in my life, and I prioritize them above most non-human things in my life. When considering potential dating partners, not liking animals is one of my deal breakers. For that, I make apologies to no one. I do not prioritize them over my family, livelihood, or human life. I know some people do, and I think they are wrong. For Pete's sake, there is a middle ground here!
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15-02-2016, 09:40 PM (This post was last modified: 16-02-2016 06:27 AM by carol.)
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
(15-02-2016 10:53 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Utter nonsense...

You can anthropomorphize all you like - but your dog's "love" is a fiction promoted by pet owners.

Die in a room alone with your dog, and when he gets real hungry, he'll eat you with the same gusto as a bowl of Alpo....................

You correctly point out that a dog's ears and eyes react to different wavelengths than humans.

You incorrectly assign emotional states, to an animal that has no understanding of your idea of love...............

You are dead wrong-

I do not argue that dogs are just like human beings, but I do argue that the feelings dogs have about their owners are created by the oxytocin hormone which would awash them in 'loving' feelings, just as it does with human beings...
dogs produce oxytocin, the same love/affection hormone people produce, and they produce it when their owners are petting them and looking into their eyes... (the owners produce more oxytocin when petting their dogs also, interestingly)

The studies suggest that human-dog interactions elicit the same type of oxytocin positive feedback loop as seen between mothers and their infants/young children. So, unless you feel that human children are incapable of love ( which may be arguable) then dogs are quite capable of love, and test results find that they are in some ways at the emotional capacity of 2 year old humans( note I said capacity to feel emotions, not intelligence, or value of dog/human, just based on their ability to feel,) and feel excitement, distress, disgust, fear, anger, joy, suspicion, and love. these comparative findings suggest that the unusual social skills of dogs arose as a result of domestication and represent a case of convergent evolution with humans.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/can...experience
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...214507.htm
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/h...our-hearts
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/...ur-hearts/
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/34.../333.short
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ani...sentations
http://www.onekind.org/education/animal_...s_in_dogs/
Dogs have also been tested on the ability to understand language, and abstract concepts:

http://www.eva.mpg.de/psycho/staff/tomas...ello05.pdf
http://www.wofford.edu/psychology/chaser/
http://webs.wofford.edu/reidak/Elsevier_...elease.pdf
http://news.discovery.com/animals/zoo-an...120208.htm
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/f...1455591521
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32691843
Humans and dogs have developed an unusual relationship due to the very long periods of time humans and dogs hunted together over tens of thousands of years... dogs evolved to become very sensitive to human behavior, expressions, and feelings. Do they love us with the same intensity as an adult human can love? unlikely...but do they love? absolutely-unless you argue against the feeling of love being produced by a hormone called oxytocin.

There are so many studies about dogs easily found online-the past ten years or so have really changed the opinions of the specialists who have done this research--

I am a neuro/bio geek, love this stuff ( yes, i said love..different form)..I also train dogs...agility/obedience...and being aware of their emotions make it so much easier to train them...If you rethink this a bit, and broaden your idea about them, ( instead of thinking they are incapable, you could think of emotional response as a continuum of different abilities...)you may be a better dog owner..just a thought, I will shut up now ... I could post so much more....

dude, science is science, the research is available, and so you are able to look for yourself-easily googled research-the real stuff, not the pop science...-the studies are very interesting and available and most importantly current-yes, the research is still new, but there is quite a lot of it...if you do not agree. you are welcome to produce a lot of scientific studies that are current from the past few years or so, I am more than willing to read them but i think it unlikely you will find something that is current that supports your claims...some of the old ideas about animal's abilities have been disproven.
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15-02-2016, 10:27 PM
RE: Don't Tell Me You Adopted an Animal
Quote:People who say they "adopted" a pet - seem to think that animals are equal to humans.


I prefer dogs to most people.

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