Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
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15-11-2013, 02:37 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:04 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  All things God created are of equal importance to Him... every bit of minutia in everything; however, there are more important factors that contribute to His plan.

His plan intricately involves humanity; therefore, in order for His plan to come to fruition, those factors are the more important ones.

That being said, the world He created is bound by laws and causes and effects, so this is why the minutia of everything is important. Did He control the action of you squishing that cricket earlier?

Yes. But why?

Because of the binding of the laws of physics and because of the creation of psychology of humans. Our disregard for the life of the cricket and our perceived superiority over the cricket is caused by the sin that God created for humanity which affects our psychology; therefore, a cause and an effect - stepping on the cricket.

Likewise, the binding to the laws of physics that God created for our world results in the cricket being smashed.

God actively controls all of this because this is how He wanted the world to be, and He fulfills the rules that He set up.

There is nothing too big or too small that He's not controlling - if so, then He's not omnipotent.

I hope this was clear. I haven't been theological in awhile, so some of it may seem muddled.

But why god then? there's no need for it if everything works the same as if he wasn't there. It's just like adding 0 to an equation

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15-11-2013, 02:45 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:37 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 02:04 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  All things God created are of equal importance to Him... every bit of minutia in everything; however, there are more important factors that contribute to His plan.

His plan intricately involves humanity; therefore, in order for His plan to come to fruition, those factors are the more important ones.

That being said, the world He created is bound by laws and causes and effects, so this is why the minutia of everything is important. Did He control the action of you squishing that cricket earlier?

Yes. But why?

Because of the binding of the laws of physics and because of the creation of psychology of humans. Our disregard for the life of the cricket and our perceived superiority over the cricket is caused by the sin that God created for humanity which affects our psychology; therefore, a cause and an effect - stepping on the cricket.

Likewise, the binding to the laws of physics that God created for our world results in the cricket being smashed.

God actively controls all of this because this is how He wanted the world to be, and He fulfills the rules that He set up.

There is nothing too big or too small that He's not controlling - if so, then He's not omnipotent.

I hope this was clear. I haven't been theological in awhile, so some of it may seem muddled.

But why god then? there's no need for it if everything works the same as if he wasn't there. It's just like adding 0 to an equation

Very true. You could replace "God" with anything in this circumstance, which is why the Elect are so different. Since "God" here could literally be anything imaginable it takes an enormous amount of faith in order to believe it is the Christian God; so much faith that I believe it impossible to arrive at the conclusion of a Christian God unaided as it is impractical and irrational. I don't think anyone possesses that much faith on their own.

That faith has to be given to people by God (as it states in the Bible). When an Elect is chosen, they are bestowed this faith and cannot believe differently.

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15-11-2013, 02:52 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:04 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Our disregard for the life of the cricket and our perceived superiority over the cricket is caused by the sin that God created for humanity which affects our psychology; therefore, a cause and an effect - stepping on the cricket.

Likewise, the binding to the laws of physics that God created for our world results in the cricket being smashed.

What do you mean our? Sounds like a personal issue.

I perceive no "superiority" over any one or anything on this planet or any other, be it cricket or man ... or even you, Kingsy. Wink

While I may be larger or stronger, I might perceive myself to be no more or less significant or insignificant than the cricket you would smash with all your perceived "superiority".

I supposed I can accept that your perceived superiority might be "caused by the sin that God created" since he created it just for you. I mean, since you are the one who believes it... oh, elect one. Shy

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15-11-2013, 02:53 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:45 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 02:37 PM)nach_in Wrote:  But why god then? there's no need for it if everything works the same as if he wasn't there. It's just like adding 0 to an equation

Very true. You could replace "God" with anything in this circumstance, which is why the Elect are so different. Since "God" here could literally be anything imaginable it takes an enormous amount of faith in order to believe it is the Christian God; so much faith that I believe it impossible to arrive at the conclusion of a Christian God unaided as it is impractical and irrational. I don't think anyone possesses that much faith on their own.

That faith has to be given to people by God (as it states in the Bible). When an Elect is chosen, they are bestowed this faith and cannot believe differently.

Is it actually faith if they can't choose? It sounds more like a mental disorder.
Also you said this: "All things God created are of equal importance to Him". Except these Elect right?
Are they more important arbitrarily?

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15-11-2013, 02:57 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:52 PM)kim Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 02:04 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Our disregard for the life of the cricket and our perceived superiority over the cricket is caused by the sin that God created for humanity which affects our psychology; therefore, a cause and an effect - stepping on the cricket.

Likewise, the binding to the laws of physics that God created for our world results in the cricket being smashed.

What do you mean our? Sounds like a personal issue.

I perceive no "superiority" over any one or anything on this planet or any other, be it cricket or man ... or even you, Kingsy. Wink

While I may be larger or stronger, I might perceive myself to be no more or less significant or insignificant than the cricket you would smash with all your perceived "superiority".

I supposed I can accept that your perceived superiority might be "caused by the sin that God created" since he created it just for you. I mean, since you are the one who believes it... oh, elect one. Shy

It was a generality. -_-

It was just an example. I wasn't saying that the specific example was applicable to everyone or anyone. It was just an illustration tool...

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15-11-2013, 03:00 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:53 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 02:45 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Very true. You could replace "God" with anything in this circumstance, which is why the Elect are so different. Since "God" here could literally be anything imaginable it takes an enormous amount of faith in order to believe it is the Christian God; so much faith that I believe it impossible to arrive at the conclusion of a Christian God unaided as it is impractical and irrational. I don't think anyone possesses that much faith on their own.

That faith has to be given to people by God (as it states in the Bible). When an Elect is chosen, they are bestowed this faith and cannot believe differently.

Is it actually faith if they can't choose? It sounds more like a mental disorder.
Also you said this: "All things God created are of equal importance to Him". Except these Elect right?
Are they more important arbitrarily?

They are more important to the plan, but I don't think that they are more important than anything else.

They are the effect of Christ's sacrifice which was part of the plan. A cause and an effect; however, they are an important factor in the overall plan as they are the result of what Christ's sacrifice was for.

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15-11-2013, 03:04 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:04 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  All things God created are of equal importance to Him... every bit of minutia in everything; however, there are more important factors that contribute to His plan.

His plan intricately involves humanity; therefore, in order for His plan to come to fruition, those factors are the more important ones.

That being said, the world He created is bound by laws and causes and effects, so this is why the minutia of everything is important. Did He control the action of you squishing that cricket earlier?

Yes. But why?

Because of the binding of the laws of physics and because of the creation of psychology of humans. Our disregard for the life of the cricket and our perceived superiority over the cricket is caused by the sin that God created for humanity which affects our psychology; therefore, a cause and an effect - stepping on the cricket.

Likewise, the binding to the laws of physics that God created for our world results in the cricket being smashed.

God actively controls all of this because this is how He wanted the world to be, and He fulfills the rules that He set up.

There is nothing too big or too small that He's not controlling - if so, then He's not omnipotent.

I hope this was clear. I haven't been theological in awhile, so some of it may seem muddled.

Not only muddled, made up out of whole cloth. Dodgy

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15-11-2013, 03:13 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 11:31 AM)Lawls Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 11:18 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Do you write for Conan?

Masturbation is--wait for it--a sensitive subject to me. Laughat If, however, we changed the cartoon's caption to "stop masturbating over and again to pornography and to dark fantasies, stop masturbating over and again until your heart turns to stone and you objectify your future love interests and spouses to become mere bodies without souls and not fulfilling of your desire, until you lose your taste for the heady pleasures I've created for you in lovemaking with a trusted partner" we'd really "get the joke".

It takes the "exalted humor" of a twelve-year-old to make masturbation jokes. Masturbation addiction is a cause of emotional pain for millions. Grow up.

I bet prostate cancer risk from not masturbating is more emotionally painful.Dodgy

You are taking my point and--shocking--running too far with it. Since masturbation is not elucidated as a sin in the scriptures per se, I'm pointing out the folly of making folly of it in our culture that is nearly drowning in lust and pornography, which is further destroying marriages and children.
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15-11-2013, 03:17 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 12:21 PM)kim Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 11:18 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  ... stop masturbating over and again to pornography and to dark fantasies, stop masturbating over and again until your heart turns to stone and you objectify your future love interests and spouses to become mere bodies without souls and not fulfilling of your desire, until you lose your taste for the heady pleasures I've created for you in lovemaking with a trusted partner...

Wow, lot of projection going on there but I appreciate the need and willingness to unload. Shy So to speak.

What a coincidence you should allude to this subject of sexual obsession. I was just reading an exchange between a couple of our forum members about sexual obsession and repression as a part of indoctrination, and the outcome of enduring such a life.

I find this a very interesting and hopeful exchange:
Dark Phoenix Wrote:I know for a fact that sexual repression or restriction leads to perversion and disorder. I experienced an entire youth of uncontrollable desire to view pornography constantly. My insatiable appetite for sexual release surpassed the limits of physical and mental heath relatively quickly. The resulting shame and self loathing from a lifetime of indoctrination only worsened the downward spiral.

The irony was that upon losing my faith, and thus the sinful sex stigma, I became normal within two weeks. Everything just cooled right down to a reasonable level.

I now enjoy a happy, sexual marriage with my beautiful wife. All I needed was a little love. Smile

All of that hardly seemed worth the fuss everyone made for over 7 years. Not to mention the internal torture I experienced. Hell might not exist in the physical realm, but I know it is real in the mind because I lived through it.


A couple of weeks! There is hope for you PJ. Shy

Some of the dam is good. Dam good! Have you never heard "abstinence makes the heart grow fonder"? Smile

By the way, this line of thinking is itself soon a double standard. The same culture that says it's wrong for Christians to encourage other Christians with homosexual desires to abstain from fulfilling those desires, since they are "damming" (no pun intended) a natural course of action itself condemns adultery as it destroys marriages and children.

In other words, where do we draw the line? Should paedophiles and polygamists and etc. in our modern (and don't waste your time quoting the Bible to me apart from its true context) day give reign to their desires or just masturbators and homosexuals? i'm being serious here, not flippant.
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15-11-2013, 03:21 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:45 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 02:37 PM)nach_in Wrote:  But why god then? there's no need for it if everything works the same as if he wasn't there. It's just like adding 0 to an equation

Very true. You could replace "God" with anything in this circumstance, which is why the Elect are so different. Since "God" here could literally be anything imaginable it takes an enormous amount of faith in order to believe it is the Christian God; so much faith that I believe it impossible to arrive at the conclusion of a Christian God unaided as it is impractical and irrational. I don't think anyone possesses that much faith on their own.

That faith has to be given to people by God (as it states in the Bible). When an Elect is chosen, they are bestowed this faith and cannot believe differently.

Some food for thought, KC?

My Calvinist friends tend not to correct unbelievers if they say they'd like to repent and choose Christianity or would like to place their trust in Christ--they normally wait until after their profession of faith or conversion and then over time, explain to them doctrines including predestination. But have you given thought to the fact that your doctrine strengthens fatalism among the atheists here? Does it disturb you when atheists at this forum say "If it's predestined, I won't study about Jesus or choose Christianity until God forces me to do it."

Shouldn't you be encouraging those on this forum to trust Jesus for salvation--and then later, you can explain to those who do about the predestined nature of their "choice"?

Thank you for your consideration, brother.
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