Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
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18-11-2013, 12:41 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(14-11-2013 02:11 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  One is tempted to write, "Don't atheists feel the same way when they go against most of mankind with their paradigm?"

And so you did. Surely you have never heard of the Bandwagon Fallacy. This is because the only use xtards have for information about fallacious arguments is so that they can employ them in mew and more creative ways.


Quote:However, I will respond to wrote you wrote:

*There can be life on other planets

*There is amazing diversity of life here--we can see an amazing creation here on Earth with billions of living species, including higher animals, social animals and insects, and much more

If being Earth-centric seems arrogant of religion, than by the same token, if big God in a big universe is focused on little men, God is supremely humble


So you deity is your own personal galactic errand-boy.

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18-11-2013, 12:43 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
I have no real desire to debate Calvinism and Arminianism, but election is much more consistent throughout the entirety of the Bible. Free will or verses that seemingly promote free will can easily be explained in context or through translation.

I have not met an Arminian that can go toe-to-toe with me on the subject; not that I'm awesome at debating, it's just easy to prove election with the Bible as it bluntly states it throughout.

Arminianism diminishes God's omnipotence and places humanity on a higher, more powerful plane that God; moreover, Arminianism has spawned some of the most treacherous and dishonest views of the Bible. Namely pre-trib eschatology and Young Earth Creationism.

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18-11-2013, 12:47 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 02:13 AM)Yasmin Wrote:  
(14-11-2013 01:49 PM)Lawls Wrote:  Why would a god create only one planet that he would focus on? but then create uncountable other planets?

You might as well ask a painter why bother painting a hundred paintings if he only hangs one on his wall. Why the wasted effort, why the wasted space? The Abrahamic God is a creator, who finds joy in creating. The fact that He chooses to have a relationship with those on earth doesn't mean He hasn't done the same on other planets.

You realize you just made that shit up, right? Dodgy

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18-11-2013, 12:49 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 04:16 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 02:13 AM)Yasmin Wrote:  You might as well ask a painter why bother painting a hundred paintings if he only hangs one on his wall. Why the wasted effort, why the wasted space? The Abrahamic God is a creator, who finds joy in creating. The fact that He chooses to have a relationship with those on earth doesn't mean He hasn't done the same on other planets.

You might as well also ask how you have come into the possession of such insight into the motivations, pleasure, and hobbies of the supposed creator of the universe... Drinking Beverage


Has 'He' told you personally? Then why has 'He' kept this information from me?

Did you get it from a book? How do you know the information in the book is accurate?

Did someone else tell you about 'Him'? Where did that person get their information, and how far back does that line go?

And lastly, how can you substantiate your claims about 'His' motivations, actions, pleasures, and hobbies?



In my honest opinion, those who post that very copy-pasted like response often suffer from a sever lack of doubt.


Pseudologia fantastica comes to mind....

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18-11-2013, 12:56 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 05:57 AM)Yasmin Wrote:  But it's a bit of a generalisation and cheap shot yourself about theists though, isn't it?

It's not a cheap shot when it comes in response to an obviously-made-up pathological lie.

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18-11-2013, 01:02 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 11:06 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(14-11-2013 03:15 PM)Lawls Wrote:  I actually did, I posted above about how Earth having the only life in the universe is mathematically impossible. You sound really angry, maybe you should just go to a Christian forum with people who think like you do. Or just stop being such an obvious troll.

And I'd posted about how there might be life on other planets, other systems. You're the one who posted the straw man argument.

Your comment about only going to a forum where people think like me, which further helps leave your atheists only talking with other atheists, shows a lot of narrow mindedness about the nature of intellectual discourse and the greater conversation.

Being open-minded does not entail accepting or even entertaining known horseshit. Pandering superstitious fairy tales as if they were reality is nothing like "intellectual discourse" or "greater conversation".

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18-11-2013, 01:04 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 11:09 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(14-11-2013 03:26 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  The cosmos may well have Intelligence beyond our comprehension and 'we' (soul, monad, whatever) could be tangentially linked, or this may not be the case at all.
The Christian Church largely reduces God (read, greatly higher motivating principle) to their own secular understandings of what might me good, within our limited domain.
Thus, our ideals, are egotistically transferred to God, who by stealth becomes the alleged initiator.Even here there is no consensus, with 1500 different Christian denominations and sects.

As for the great diversity of life, for fundamentalists God is seen as creating all this for mankind to govern over. Rather it would make more sense if everything was linked for some grand purpose, embracing all. Again there may be no ultimate purpose, and if there is, it is greatly more complex than fundamentalist Christian/ Judaism

And how is your morality broader minded in nature and absorbing this imagined grand purpose you've created? If you eat meat, you are subjectively disagreeing with the vegans. If you're a vegan you oppose the carnivorous folk at Burger King.
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Irrelevant Red Herring much? Ad Hominem Fallacy much?

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18-11-2013, 01:04 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(18-11-2013 03:53 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Is that one of Paul's authentic letters, or one of the forgeries? It's no surprise that Paul would contradict 'himself' when he's only believed to have authored half of the letter attributed to him in the Epistles. And yes, that is the consensus of mainline Christian scholarship.
Source? I think you missed my point here. I never said there was contradictions I merely pointed out that a letter of teaching and advice answering the questions and issues of one church would necessarily be different to the concerns of another. Paul isn't just writing to one church here, but many spread throughout the Empire. All I was asking for is that if someone criticises a point of advice Paul's giving, I would also expect them to do that because they had the answers to the questions I posed.

(18-11-2013 03:53 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Simple sexism, treating women differently because they are women. There doesn't appear to be any greater reason than that. Women simply were second class citizens, and that was a cultural norm then as it is now in many parts of the world. It does nothing to speak for the divine inspiration of any writing attributed to Paul.

Yes, thanks for reminding me that Paul also endorsed slavery instead of speaking out against it. Paul could have told them to free their slaves and treat them as equals worthy of all human dignity, and not own and treated like farm equipment. He did not. I expect better from someone claiming divine inspiration from on omni-benevolent being, and I daresay you should too.
I think we have to be careful when talking about anything that we're not defining the thing we want to criticise. It seems like you're reading Paul saying 'if he was saying something worthwhile he would be saying this,' and that's no way to start analysing a text. How familiar are you with ancient roman society and slave system from which you can base your criticisms? And I would say that the teachings of Jesus and Paul do more against sexism in the early Church than what has often been witnessed since.


(18-11-2013 03:53 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Yep, try studying your text at the very beginning; with the pagan polytheistic origin of your religion. Or how about with the multiple authors and revisions that formed the basis Christianity/Paulinity was built upon?
I have studying my text, for four years at university with some excellent teachers not afraid to acknowledge possible objections. I would love to know your sources, and how much study of the text you personally have done, or whether your evidence lies solely in other people's works (a danger for both atheists and believers I might add, so I'm not having a go at you Smile). I've watched the videos you posted, and while it was interesting to understand the thought process, I thought it was a bit lacking. But very interesting, thank you Smile
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18-11-2013, 01:05 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 11:13 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 02:48 AM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Why is it necessarily humble for a supposedly omnipotent/omniscient being to pay attention to any minutiae with its creation? In fact, one might argue, that such a being cannot help but "pay attention" to every particle of such a creation simultaneously at all times. Thus making no single particle any more special than another, and making humility unnecessary.

Sorry--special attention or, if you like, particular added attention. Does that help? We might even go with "on call babysitting" in the case of atheists. "For the law is a babysitter until we come to the knowledge of Christ."

Make up as you go along much?

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18-11-2013, 01:09 PM
RE: Don't Theists ever think about how insanely out of proportion their beliefs are?
(15-11-2013 11:18 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Masturbation is--wait for it--a sensitive subject to me.

Yes, you are obviously quite hung up on it.


Quote:Laughat If, however, we changed the cartoon's caption to "stop masturbating over and again to pornography and to dark fantasies, stop masturbating over and again until your heart turns to stone and you objectify your future love interests and spouses to become mere bodies without souls and not fulfilling of your desire, until you lose your taste for the heady pleasures I've created for you in lovemaking with a trusted partner" we'd really "get the joke".

You really have an unhealthy misconception of human sexuality.


Quote:It takes the "exalted humor" of a twelve-year-old to make masturbation jokes. Masturbation addiction is a cause of emotional pain for millions.

I think you just made that up.

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Um you are the one who needs to grow up here.

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