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08-12-2016, 02:54 PM
RE: Donald Trump Time Magazine Person Of The Year
(08-12-2016 09:55 AM)Vosur Wrote:  It's that arrogance and hubris, that borderline superiority complex, that played a part in Trump's victory. It's time to stop demonizing your fellow countrymen and realize that his average supporter isn't a racist, isn't a sexist, isn't a homophobe or whatever buzzword you want to throw at their head. Take a look at the demographics of this year's voters and you'll find that Trump won with college-educated whites, that he won with white women and that he won more black and Hispanic votes than any Republican in recent history. I find it hard to blame the forgotten voters in the Rust Belt for choosing to vote for Trump, the guy who promised to bring back and expand the manufacturing sector in the U.S., rather than the woman who wants to put her husband, the man who is directly responsible for much of the massive outsourcing to Mexico by passing NAFTA, in charge of the economy.

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08-12-2016, 03:00 PM
RE: Donald Trump Time Magazine Person Of The Year
(08-12-2016 10:34 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 10:28 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Trying to stop the exponential advances in technology is not only stupid it's futile.

At what cost? Going out of business because nobody can afford your products? It will only get worse. It's going to be a long time before none of us have to work. I can envision a future where robots do EVERYTHING. They even create and fix other robots. No human will have to work and we will all just sit back and relax. But until that happens, automation will screw over the working man. As more companies do it, that leaves less people with money to buy the shit they sell.

Automisation need not exist because of, and for, business. A sufficiently automised society is the only society where I can envision communism working as intended.
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08-12-2016, 03:29 PM
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(08-12-2016 10:34 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  At what cost? Going out of business because nobody can afford your products? It will only get worse.

Oh, you are a bad republican! Trust the free market a little more. What is getting too unwieldy to sustain is big manufacturing companies. Some people will have to re-train. Schools will have to teach vocational classes again. As long as there are people, there will be market gaps to fill. Jobs are not disappearing, they are changing.

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08-12-2016, 06:35 PM
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(08-12-2016 10:26 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Automation is stupid. Outsourcing jobs to foreign countries is stupid. Once every company is fully automated or every job is in another country, there won't be any Americans with money to buy the stupid products they're making. If you push every American out of the workforce you are left with zero customers.

"They're always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there's never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case," says Labor Secretary-elect Andy Puzder on swapping employees for machines.

"I want to try it," CEO Andy Puzder told Business Insider of his automated restaurant plans. "We could have a restaurant that's focused on all-natural products and is much like an Eatsa, where you order on a kiosk, you pay with a credit or debit card, your order pops up, and you never see a person."

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09-12-2016, 07:54 AM
RE: Donald Trump Time Magazine Person Of The Year
(07-12-2016 01:51 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(07-12-2016 08:41 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Don't see how they could have picked anyone else.

The CRISPR crew was up. They should've won. But fuck Time. Tongue

The CRISPR crew weren't going to fuck the world by hastening climate change, install fascism in a super power and bring about the 6th mass extinction. Whatever you think of Trump, he was the clear winner for Time's person of the year. Just bear in mind that it's not a judgement upon the person but a recognition of who is going to have or already has had the most effect on the world.
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09-12-2016, 08:04 AM
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(08-12-2016 10:26 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Automation is stupid. Outsourcing jobs to foreign countries is stupid. Once every company is fully automated or every job is in another country, there won't be any Americans with money to buy the stupid products they're making. If you push every American out of the workforce you are left with zero customers.

That's what a child would say. This clearly demonstrates how clueless you are about the real world.

Let me explain it to you as I would explain it to a child.

Robots are cheaper than people.

A company will try to make savings where possible.

This means the company gets richer.

Companies only care about themselves.

If they don't then they lose to other companies that do.

This is why we have regulation, to force companies to not ruin everything for everybody.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

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11-12-2016, 02:09 AM
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(07-12-2016 08:07 PM)yakherder Wrote:  
(07-12-2016 04:53 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Really?

Germany was a mess. He turned its economy around, then went all genocidal.


According to Gotz Aly (Reich) public finances were changed into a bill of exchange which could be covered only by booty from war [G. Aly, Hitler's Beneficiaries, p.377 of polish 2014 edition].

Nazis "achievements" were merely return to pre-depression era status quo: Weimar Republic was able to build more houses in 1929 (317,682) than Nazis in 1836 (310,490). Unemployment was hidden behind statistical tricks like counting as employed members of family of employed person, or counting seasonal workers as permanently employed; in January 1935 number of people without work was still over 4 millions. [Richard Evans, The Third Reich in Power, p. 320, 321 of polish 2016 edition].

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11-12-2016, 03:22 AM
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(11-12-2016 02:09 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(07-12-2016 08:07 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Germany was a mess. He turned its economy around, then went all genocidal.


According to Gotz Aly (Reich) public finances were changed into a bill of exchange which could be covered only by booty from war [G. Aly, Hitler's Beneficiaries, p.377 of polish 2014 edition].

Nazis "achievements" were merely return to pre-depression era status quo: Weimar Republic was able to build more houses in 1929 (317,682) than Nazis in 1936 (310,490). Unemployment was hidden behind statistical tricks like counting as employed members of family of employed person, or counting seasonal workers as permanently employed; in January 1935 number of people without work was still over 4 millions. [Richard Evans, The Third Reich in Power, p. 320, 321 of polish 2016 edition].

Dont underestimate the wealth that wasnt generated by labour but just taken from deportet people, from goods to housing to whole businesses. The immense costs of rearmament (the state has to pay for weapons) were also hidden by printing money, as well as by taking huge credits (which the banks in return were forced to give). Armament made up 58% of the national budget by 1936 (1932:6%)!

Banks were forced to buy bonds from the state. The Reichsbank was "gleichgeschaltet" (per law/decree) in 1939 when it voiced concerns about the Nazis monetary policy. Thus it was out of the game as an indiviual "player" in the "game of economy". The complete economic policy can be described as "socialistic"(!), by additionally fixing salaries and prices for example.

There was a combinated effect of printing/generating huge amounts of money without generating the according goods. Creating armament/weapons always pose a problem of inflation, since they arent consumer goods availiable on the open market.
Now, you dont want to sell those weapons to your future enemies/victims, thus you earn no money. Thus you cant buy and import goods, but Germany always was a nation that lived by export/import. This is also part of the reason why "artificial" raw materials were invented (coal -> fuel, artificial rubber, etc,)

Within only 12 years:
  • Total printed money (in circulation) increased form 6bio RM to 76
  • State debt increased from 14 to 380 bio RM

The Nazis didnt fix the german economy, they completely ruined it, but this was hidden until 1945 due to their general efforts and the war (one of the goal of those efforts)

In general the Nazis had a hidden and ruinous inflationary monetary policy running.

The only way to keep this alive is to get goods from outside of your economy for free to make up for your inflation...

Fun fact about the results of the Nazi monetary and economic policy, after everything hidden was uncovered in 1946.
A miner could make 60RM a week. A hen could lay 4 eggs in the same time. These eggs could be traded for 20 cigarettes, which in return were worth 160RM. Shocking
So the miner had to work 3 weeks to buy 20 cigs or 4 eggs.

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11-12-2016, 05:10 AM
RE: Donald Trump Time Magazine Person Of The Year
(11-12-2016 03:22 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 02:09 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  According to Gotz Aly (Reich) public finances were changed into a bill of exchange which could be covered only by booty from war [G. Aly, Hitler's Beneficiaries, p.377 of polish 2014 edition].

Nazis "achievements" were merely return to pre-depression era status quo: Weimar Republic was able to build more houses in 1929 (317,682) than Nazis in 1936 (310,490). Unemployment was hidden behind statistical tricks like counting as employed members of family of employed person, or counting seasonal workers as permanently employed; in January 1935 number of people without work was still over 4 millions. [Richard Evans, The Third Reich in Power, p. 320, 321 of polish 2016 edition].

Dont underestimate the wealth that wasnt generated by labour but just taken from deportet people, from goods to housing to whole businesses. The immense costs of rearmament (the state has to pay for weapons) were also hidden by printing money, as well as by taking huge credits (which the banks in return were forced to give). Armament made up 58% of the national budget by 1936 (1932:6%)!

Banks were forced to buy bonds from the state. The Reichsbank was "gleichgeschaltet" (per law/decree) in 1939 when it voiced concerns about the Nazis monetary policy. Thus it was out of the game as an indiviual "player" in the "game of economy". The complete economic policy can be described as "socialistic"(!), by additionally fixing salaries and prices for example.

There was a combinated effect of printing/generating huge amounts of money without generating the according goods. Creating armament/weapons always pose a problem of inflation, since they arent consumer goods availiable on the open market.
Now, you dont want to sell those weapons to your future enemies/victims, thus you earn no money. Thus you cant buy and import goods, but Germany always was a nation that lived by export/import. This is also part of the reason why "artificial" raw materials were invented (coal -> fuel, artificial rubber, etc,)

Within only 12 years:
  • Total printed money (in circulation) increased form 6bio RM to 76
  • State debt increased from 14 to 380 bio RM

The Nazis didnt fix the german economy, they completely ruined it, but this was hidden until 1945 due to their general efforts and the war (one of the goal of those efforts)

In general the Nazis had a hidden and ruinous inflationary monetary policy running.

The only way to keep this alive is to get goods from outside of your economy for free to make up for your inflation...

Fun fact about the results of the Nazi monetary and economic policy, after everything hidden was uncovered in 1946.
A miner could make 60RM a week. A hen could lay 4 eggs in the same time. These eggs could be traded for 20 cigarettes, which in return were worth 160RM. Shocking
So the miner had to work 3 weeks to buy 20 cigs or 4 eggs.

Didn't felt the need to bring such heavy artillery to what is nothing more than (too) common misconception. However I'm glad that you thought differently as this is enlightening.

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11-12-2016, 05:16 AM
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Sorry, if i went too much OT. Just wanted to provide some basic facts and catchphrases for the people interested, so they can google further results.

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