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20-11-2016, 01:14 PM
Donald Trump and the Transformation of White Evangelicals
The Donald Trump phenomenon continues to expose some surprising attributes.

Quote:Perhaps the most dramatic example of the shift in white evangelical political ethics is the way in which white evangelicals have evaluated the personal character of public officials. In 2011 and again just ahead of the election, PRRI asked Americans whether a political leader who committed an immoral act in his or her private life could nonetheless behave ethically and fulfill their duties in their public life. Back in 2011, consistent with the “values voter” brand’s insistence on the importance of personal character, only 30% of white evangelical Protestants agreed with this statement. But this year, 72% of white evangelicals now say they believe a candidate can build a kind of moral wall between his private and public life. In a shocking reversal, white evangelicals have gone from being the least likely to the most likely group to agree that a candidate’s personal immorality has no bearing on his performance in public office. Today, in fact, they are more likely than Americans who claim no religious affiliation at all to say such a moral bifurcation is possible.
http://time.com/4577752/donald-trump-tra...d=tcoshare

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20-11-2016, 01:32 PM
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That was an excellent article, tomilay. It answered many questions I had regarding trump.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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20-11-2016, 01:41 PM
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(20-11-2016 01:32 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  That was an excellent article, tomilay. It answered many questions I had regarding trump.

The lesson I take away from this? Evangelist ideals were mere cover for whatever they stood for, as long as it worked and they got what they wanted. By 2012, the viability of that approach was tenuous at best. "Values" could no longer be relied upon to align with the ideal outcome - they might even have become inimical to the ideal outcome.

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20-11-2016, 02:00 PM
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(20-11-2016 01:41 PM)tomilay Wrote:  
(20-11-2016 01:32 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  That was an excellent article, tomilay. It answered many questions I had regarding trump.

The lesson I take away from this? Evangelist ideals were mere cover for whatever they stood for, as long as it worked and they got what they wanted. By 2012, the viability of that approach was tenuous at best. "Values" could no longer be relied upon to align with the ideal outcome - they might even have become inimical to the ideal outcome.

Evangelicals are still, of course, still against same sex marriage and many of the other issues that are in the news. One thing they couldn't hook Obama with was immorality. Obama seems to have a happy marriage, has been faithful to his wife with no history of groping women so they couldn't use the immorality card on him the way they did with Bill Clinton. I'm sure that aspect of Obama frustrated them. no end.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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14-09-2017, 01:47 PM
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Interesting NYT opinion follow-up on that study:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/opini...egion&_r=0

Supporters blind trust of Trump can outweigh their existing ideology, thus when Trump can be persuaded/manipulated into sliding left (or center), his fans will follow.

"Barber and Pope found that people who identified themselves as strong Republicans were among the most malleable voters. When told Trump had adopted a liberal stance, these voters moved decisively to the left; when told Trump had taken a conservative position, they moved sharply to the right, as the accompanying chart shows."

Hmmm... I hope there are some people who are both capable and willing to exploit this behavior. Trump has also been shown to be susceptible to psychological manipulation, i.e. reverse psychology. Plant the seed that Bannon is in control of his behavior and boom, FIRED. "NO HE'S NOT!!! I'M A BIG BOY" Evil_monster

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14-09-2017, 02:08 PM
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Cognitive dissonance is incredibly powerful. Of course, if you got any of them going on long enough about the particulars of their religious belief, it'd also become quite apparent.
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15-09-2017, 02:36 AM
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Folks,

I'm going to be involved with a lot of white evangelicals quite soon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI-1KTy0pOA

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15-09-2017, 04:13 AM
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(14-09-2017 01:47 PM)MustangManda Wrote:  Interesting NYT opinion follow-up on that study:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/opini...egion&_r=0

Supporters blind trust of Trump can outweigh their existing ideology, thus when Trump can be persuaded/manipulated into sliding left (or center), his fans will follow.

That's Lord Dark Helmet to a T.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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15-09-2017, 05:47 AM
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I don't think it changed them. I think it exposed how full of shit they are.

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15-09-2017, 08:06 AM
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(14-09-2017 01:47 PM)MustangManda Wrote:  Interesting NYT opinion follow-up on that study:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/opini...egion&_r=0

Supporters blind trust of Trump can outweigh their existing ideology, thus when Trump can be persuaded/manipulated into sliding left (or center), his fans will follow.

"Barber and Pope found that people who identified themselves as strong Republicans were among the most malleable voters. When told Trump had adopted a liberal stance, these voters moved decisively to the left; when told Trump had taken a conservative position, they moved sharply to the right, as the accompanying chart shows."

That's interesting. Prior to reading that, I would have figured that Trump would only be able to pull his core followers at best, and that the bulk of the Republican party was just voting for him because he's not a Democrat.

That being said, this does make sense with other aspects of party tribalism. I've seen numerous examples where if you get Republican voters just talking about issues in a vacuum, without obvious party affiliation involved, they frequently take a much more left-leaning stance on things. They'll get mad about things like "crony capitalism" and be fine with "common sense" regulations. As soon as you mention that their views more closely align to those of the Democratic candidate, they snap back to the right and the party jargon comes out. The actual casting of votes seems to be based much more strongly on branding than anything else, and all of the discussion seems to involve massive amounts of cognitive dissonance to keep them with the right brand.
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