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04-08-2016, 10:13 AM
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None of that is an issue to me. I marched in anti war protests. Vietnam was ill conceived and should never have happened. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fight there. I feel sorry for people who did fight there. Both of my husbands did.

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04-08-2016, 10:17 AM
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Not a big deal even to me. I'm pro war, but anti draft Tongue

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04-08-2016, 11:17 AM
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http://www.nationalvietnamveteransfounda...istics.htm

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04-08-2016, 11:27 AM
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(04-08-2016 08:45 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Our family didn't have the money, prestige or connections to get my two oldest brothers out of the war so when they got their draft notices (within three weeks of each other) they hopped on their motorcycles and went to Canada. My mother was raised in Canada so it wasn't too difficult to adapt. They're still there, became Canadian citizens and say it was the best decision they ever made. They really love living in Canada. They call it "A land of polite, sane people."

And with universal health care to boot!

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04-08-2016, 11:29 AM
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(04-08-2016 10:17 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Not a big deal even to me. I'm pro war, but anti draft Tongue

Sadly, the draft was the most democratic part of an army. Or would have been if it hadn't been rigged against the poor.

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04-08-2016, 11:31 AM
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This info is from 2007 but still informational.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-military/

"FACT SHEET: Who was in military?

By Angie Drobnic Holan on Friday, December 21st, 2007 at 10:46 a.m.

SUMMARY: They want to be commander in chief, but most of the presidential candidates have not served in the military. Our survey of their resumes finds that five of the 15 candidates have military experience.
A reader asked us for explanation on which candidates have served in the military and what they did. Here's what we found out.

DEMOCRATS

Joe Biden

Military experience? No.

Details: During the Vietnam War, Biden got a draft notice but flunked the physical due to asthma, according to a 1987 Washington Post profile.

Hillary Clinton

Military experience? No.

Details: Clinton wasn't subject to the draft in Vietnam because she is a woman. She has said that she tried to sign up for the Marines in 1975 and was told she was too old (at 27) and her eyesight was too poor.

Chris Dodd

Military experience? Yes.

Details: In 1969, Dodd enlisted in the Army National Guard. He later served in the U.S. Army Reserves, for a total of six years of military service.

John Edwards

Military experience? No.

Details: Edwards, born June 10, 1953, was still in high school at the height of the Vietnam draft. He later had a draft number that was never called, according to the Associated Press.

Mike Gravel

Military experience? Yes.

Details: Gravel served in the U.S. Army's Counter Intelligence Corps from 1951 to 1954. He was based in Berlin.

Dennis Kucinich

Military experience? No.

Details: Kucinich had a medical exemption for the Vietnam draft.

Barack Obama

Military experience? No.

Details: Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961, was too young to be drafted in Vietnam.

Bill Richardson

Military experience? No.

Details: Richardson received student and medical classifications during the Vietnam draft and was never called.

REPUBLICANS

Rudy Giuliani

Military experience? No.

Details: During Vietnam, Giuliani received draft deferments because he was in law school, and later received an occupational deferment. During the times he was draft eligible, he was not called.

Mike Huckabee

Military experience? No.

Details: Huckabee, born Aug. 24, 1955, was too young to be drafted during the Vietnam War.

Duncan Hunter

Military experience? Yes.

Details: Hunter served as an Army paratrooper and Ranger from 1969 to 1971 and served in Vietnam during the war. His son, a Marine, has completed tours of duty in Iraq and was recently deployed to Afghanistan.

John McCain

Military experience? Yes.

Details: McCain was in the Navy for more than 20 years. During Vietnam, he was held as a prisoner of war for five and a half years; at times he was tortured. He received awards that include the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. McCain also has two sons in the military; one was deployed to Iraq with the Marines and the other is at the U.S. Naval Academy.

Ron Paul

Military experience? Yes.

Details: Served as a medical doctor in the U.S. Air Force from 1963 to 1965 in San Antonio, Texas, and in the U.S. Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968.

Mitt Romney

Military experience? No.

Details: During Vietnam, Romney received a draft deferment while doing Mormon missionary work. He was eligible for the draft later but was not selected.

Fred Thompson

Military experience? No.

Details: Thompson had a wife and child during the Vietnam War and received deferments.”

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04-08-2016, 11:46 AM
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conveniently left out Kerry there.
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04-08-2016, 11:46 AM
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Neither Clinton, Trump, Tim Kaine or Mike Pence have served in the military.

None of the four individuals on the tickets have ever spent a day in the armed forces. But that doesn’t make them all equal.

Both Kaine and Pence are a few years older than me which is to say they were too young to serve in Vietnam and too old to serve during the Iraq war.

Clinton (Oct ’47) and Trump (Jun ’46) are about a year apart and both were of age for the Vietnam conflict. Women were not drafted at the time but men were.

"Back in 1968, at the age of 22, Donald J. Trump seemed the picture of health.

He stood 6 feet 2 inches with an athletic build; had played football, tennis and squash; and was taking up golf. His medical history was unblemished, aside from a routine appendectomy when he was 10.

But after he graduated from college in the spring of 1968, making him eligible to be drafted and sent to Vietnam, he received a diagnosis that would change his path: bone spurs in his heels.

The diagnosis resulted in a coveted 1-Y medical deferment that fall, exempting him from military service as the United States was undertaking huge troop deployments to Southeast Asia, inducting about 300,000 men into the military that year.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/pol...ecord.html

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"Donald Trump’s Selective Service Records
For many years, Donald J. Trump, asserted that it was “ultimately” a high draft lottery number that kept him out of the Vietnam War, rather than a medical condition. But his Selective Service records, obtained from the National Archives, suggest otherwise. He had been medically exempted for more than a year when the draft lottery commenced in December 1969, well before he received what he has described as his “phenomenal” draft number. The Times has created a composite image from scans of the document from the National Archives. AUG. 1, 2016”

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/...ecord.html

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04-08-2016, 11:49 AM
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We had enough people who didn't want to be there in the Army back in the '60s. I applaud all the Not Me's who were lucky enough not to have served with me.
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04-08-2016, 11:49 AM
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(04-08-2016 11:46 AM)skyking Wrote:  conveniently left out Kerry there.

Good catch, don’t know why they did.

2 Purple Hearts, 1 Silver Star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_c...John_Kerry

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