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23-05-2014, 08:57 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(23-05-2014 08:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(23-05-2014 08:51 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No there doesn't. Reality has been proven to be non-intuitive. Your unexamined assumption is probably the most common assumption of those who really don't know any Physics.

reality is non-intuitive =/= infinite regress

Reality being non-intuitive is a matter of debate. Even if I grant that it is non-intuitive it is a non-sequitur to say that therefore, infinite regress.

Nice try. That's not what I said. Dolt. Don't put words in my mouth. You really do lack critical thinking skills don't you.

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23-05-2014, 08:58 PM
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(23-05-2014 08:54 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  
(23-05-2014 08:37 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Actually, the above addresses neither premise.

In fact, you are attacking the conclusion of the argument, something that I honestly do not care if you do. As long as you accept premise one and two, then the conclusion follows inescapably.

In fact, throwing in the last bit about special pleading on behalf of the Kalam proponent is demonstrably false. The Kalam proponent never in supporting premise one or two alludes to the existence of this uncaused cause you speak of. This is simply a red herring.

Even if I were to give a conceptual analysis of what the conclusion calls for, it would not be special pleading to say that the Cause is uncaused, for this is the very thing that has been said by naturalists with regards to the universe i.e that it is eternal and uncaused.


Guess what?

I do not have to! Tongue

Neither of the two premises require me to demonstrate the supernatural exits. This is simply goalpost moving.


To say that something that begins to exist needs a cause for its existence is not presumptive in the least. This fact is constantly affirmed via inductive reasoning and never falsified.

As far as the argument being circular, this is only something that someone would say if they were not acquainted with a modus ponens syllogism.

All you have done is describe the nature of a deductive argument, one of the most basic arguments in logic. In a deductive argument the conclusion is implicit in the premises waiting to be derived by the logical rules of inference. An example of this argument is the KCA as well as the more well known All men are mortal, Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal modus ponens.






It is interesting you should mention my need for attending classes in logic 101 seeing as how you do not know how to recognize a modus ponens syllogism when you see one.

Craig has been exposed as an intellectually dishonest liar and fraud. Your inability to unlatch your lips from the base of his sweaty shaft do not constitute validity of his "arguments," which have already been dismantled multiple times, and repeating them from the beginning is not responding to the objections.

It's working WLC's balls while you swirl your tongue. I don't come to your house and slap the WLC out of your mouth, and we'd all appreciate if you didn't bring him here to show us what a "good boy" you can be for him.

I love it when you resort to these little quips.

You have given up dealing with the argument and have resorted to what you are good at, talking perversely.
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23-05-2014, 08:59 PM
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(23-05-2014 07:47 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Christians are just delusional =/= good argument

Try again.

You being a prime example of it.

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23-05-2014, 09:00 PM
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(23-05-2014 08:53 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  What's wrong with an infinite regress ?

This just about sums it up.

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23-05-2014, 09:01 PM
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Yeah . Jeremy Walker is delusional but the san Antonio spurs must win the nba championship.
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23-05-2014, 09:02 PM
Dr. Ordway's lecture
(23-05-2014 08:51 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(23-05-2014 08:47 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  Because
~~Special Pleading~~
~~Reasons~~

Congrats on ignoring every single objection, and repeating the same horse shit all over again.

And you're proposing a false dilemma for infinite regress. There are other more cogent solutions than GodDidIt. Take an epistemology class.

Maybe you can tell me how an infinite regress is terminated without a terminus.

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"Terminated" is irrelevant.

Regress is a non-issue to coherentism and foundationalism. Jesus, did you skim Descartes and stop, or do you only study apologetics?

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23-05-2014, 09:02 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(23-05-2014 09:00 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(23-05-2014 08:53 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  What's wrong with an infinite regress ?

This just about sums it up.

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23-05-2014, 09:05 PM
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(23-05-2014 11:11 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(23-05-2014 10:53 AM)Leo Wrote:  Seriously , why the hell this Jeremy asshole troll isn't banned ? The dude is destroying the dynamic of this site. This little fucker is spamming all threads. It's obvious this little fucker will not stop.Dodgy

Please clarify what is meant by "the dynamic of this site". I'm intrigued.

Cheers.

Says the fifth-column twat who pos-reps every fucking troll that comes in here.

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23-05-2014, 09:05 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(23-05-2014 08:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(23-05-2014 08:51 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No there doesn't. Reality has been proven to be non-intuitive. Your unexamined assumption is probably the most common assumption of those who really don't know any Physics.

reality is non-intuitive =/= infinite regress

Reality being non-intuitive is a matter of debate. Even if I grant that it is non-intuitive it is a non-sequitur to say that therefore, infinite regress.

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23-05-2014, 09:09 PM
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(23-05-2014 12:05 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(23-05-2014 12:02 PM)John Wrote:  In case you don't remember, you were unable to establish your premises as true.

I do not have to establish them as true. Only more plausibly true than their negation.

That is delusional goalpost-shifting bullshit you heard your hero Bill "Larry" Craig say (yes, I have heard him spout that bullshit verbatim as well). You don't know fuck about debate.

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