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24-05-2014, 02:54 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 02:41 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:35 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  support for premise one has already been given. No defeater has been presented.

Now if you would like to debate me on this then we can in the ring.

It seems you cannot keep track of what I have posted even though you have been going back and forth with me for some time.

Why is that?

You must have missed this:

(23-05-2014 06:16 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  "Begins to exist" is also semantic nonsense, and nothing has ever been witnessed "beginning to exist" in the same way as the universe.

At what point does a chair "begin to exist" as a chair? When the 2nd leg is attached? 3? 4? When the wood is cut into parts for the chair?

How about a bicycle? Does it "begin to exist" sometime during when the frame is welded together from component parts ? When the wheels and chain are attached, before it has pedals?

And this:

(24-05-2014 12:30 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  Correct. They formulate a hypothesis then test that hypothesis

An hypothesis that is not falsifiable is by definition unscientific.

The KCA doesn't qualify. Here's why:


This is untestable. We will never be able to empirically observe anything "come into existence" the same way the universe came into existence.



The KCA employs a loaded question, and does in fact make an assertion (however subtly) that the laws of causality must have applied prior to causality. It relies on that assumption to reach the conclusion. It defines "Begins to exist" as <creation ex nilho> not any other form of "beginning to exist" and is an equivocation.


It begs the question and invokes special pleading to avoid infinite regress.


It's exposing the hidden premises of the KCA.

Every recombination of existing matter has a cause [within in the universe as currently observed]

The universe began to exist [ex nilho, not from recombination of existing matter].

Therefore [as pre-universe physics and causality were identical to those observed within the existing universe] the universe has a cause.

Broken vending machine.

Premise 1 argues causality existed pre causality.

It's nonsensical.
You're wasting your time here. Both Stevil and cjlr raised the same objections in their debates against JEW and he never addressed them. In fact, he got his ass handed to him so hard that he ran from both of them and is still in denial about his loss today.

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24-05-2014, 02:55 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 02:53 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:50 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Blah blah blah...
The above indicates that at no point in time have I had two or more accounts active simultaneously which would qualify as sockpuppeting.
....blah blah blah...

Neither account has been terminated. You are a liar.

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24-05-2014, 02:57 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 02:52 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:51 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  You must have a novel and unique definition for the word "support".



Your bullshit assertions have been rebutted completely, and over and over. You are a liar.





You already fled two debates there after having your head handed to you many times over.



Um the reading comprehension problem is yours, asshole.

Shhh...Columbo Laughat

You failed to address my points. Again.




(24-05-2014 02:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:53 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  You are a liar.

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Yeah.

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24-05-2014, 02:59 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 02:54 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:41 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  You must have missed this:


And this:


Premise 1 argues causality existed pre causality.

It's nonsensical.
You're wasting your time here. Both Stevil and cjlr raised the same objections in their debates against JEW and he never addressed them. In fact, he got his ass handed to him so hard that he ran from both of them and is still in denial about his loss today.

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24-05-2014, 03:00 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 02:57 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:52 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Shhh...Columbo Laughat

You failed to address my points. Again.




(24-05-2014 02:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Hobo

Who cares?

Yeah.

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24-05-2014, 03:01 PM
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24-05-2014, 03:04 PM
Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 02:47 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:41 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  You must have missed this:


And this:


Premise 1 argues causality existed pre causality.

It's nonsensical.

Looks like a missed quote tag somewhere...

I know, tapatalk makes it tedious to respond to individual quotes, or fix a tag error.

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24-05-2014, 03:05 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 03:00 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:57 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  You failed to address my points. Again.





Yeah.

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I sense yet another retreat coming on...

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24-05-2014, 03:05 PM
Dr. Ordway's lecture
(24-05-2014 02:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(24-05-2014 02:53 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  Neither account has been terminated. You are a liar.

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We know you don't care your compulsive lying is well known. That's part of why it's a problem.

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24-05-2014, 03:07 PM
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(24-05-2014 03:01 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Jeremy ...

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