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22-05-2014, 08:08 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(22-05-2014 07:43 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(22-05-2014 07:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  We've already established one, haven't we?

And then there is reality and freedom from delusion.

I abstain from all sexual acts =/= I have never had sex before

As long as I am alive I find it hard to think I am "missing out" on reality. I wake up to it every morning and go to sleep to it every night.

Freedom from delusion. Well I guess I am missing out on that if by freedom from delusion you imply freedom from the delusion that the universe just popped into existence uncaused, for nothing, by nothing and from nothing. And that we somehow evolved from some form of life that came to be by some natural occurrence to what we are now........

Uhh.....

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I don't know how the universe began, or if it began. Neither do you.

The evidence for evolution overwhelming, to deny that is delusional.

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22-05-2014, 08:13 PM (This post was last modified: 22-05-2014 08:26 PM by rampant.a.i..)
Dr. Ordway's lecture
(22-05-2014 07:34 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(22-05-2014 07:31 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  You've said that twice, yet you don't seem to know what they are.

read the wikipedia article, and anyway as Monster_Riffs aka the Educated Englishman has already told me, life is grey, not black and white. There is no singular definiens for "atheism". Sorry to break it to you but as I said, it seems I know more about it than you do.

Drinking Beverage

Because you copy-pasted a Wikipedia article and just now made a couple general statements that could apply to anything?

There are varying degrees of atheism? You don't say! Holy shit, alert the presses!

Come on. At least use both hands on the keyboard if you want us to believe you aren't compulsively masturbating over there.


(22-05-2014 07:45 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Night night my friends. I am sleepy.

See you tomorrow if God wills.

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I rest my case.

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22-05-2014, 09:47 PM
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Okay Jeremy, I did you the courtesy of watching the video. Well, I watched 45 minutes of it and decided there wasn't a chance that she'd say anything more compelling if she hadn't done so in the first 45 minutes.

Did you watch it? Unsure

You do realize that essentially the whole thing is her admitting that she's just really bad at accepting reality and doesn't seem to have a grasp on what "reason" is. She starts off by misrepresenting nihilism, just as you have tried to do here at TTA, because you also don't understand how a person can just accept reality. I understand, it really can be a daunting thing to fully appreciate and for many people it's much more satisfying to simply believe in magic.

But the kicker is that she actually admits that it's her complete fascination with fiction that compelled her to filter her worldview through the fantasy works of Tolkien and Lewis and others. She wouldn't be a christian if she couldn't view the world through the wardrobe in the spare 'oom. She just straight up says that she would not be a christian if she wasn't able to translate her reality through the magical worlds of fictional literature. And lo and behold she accepts the bible as literal truth.

That doesn't strike you as a bit.......delusional???

The other disappointment is that she kept going on about how faith is not based on something you can't prove. She stated that her faith was based on reasons that made it line up with reality. She didn't provide one ounce of evidence or even one reason. She just kept going on about her love of fiction. She stated how she knew hell was real because of Paradise Lost. Rolleyes She says how, as a literary scholar, she "knows that the gospels are historical truth", yet does not give any effort to actually back that up.

You got anything else? If you can find something that actually give any semblance of good evidence for the christian worldview you should post it and let me know. I'll watch another video if you think it'll actually give your position some credence.

I will extend you that courtesy, even if you refuse to reciprocate. I am willing to challenge my worldview. In fact I love doing it. The fact that I am wrong in my worldview from time to time and I allow myself the freedom to change it gives me the confidence in it to know that it reflects the best evidence that I have come across.

Try again.

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22-05-2014, 11:06 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(22-05-2014 07:43 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(22-05-2014 07:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  We've already established one, haven't we?

And then there is reality and freedom from delusion.

I abstain from all sexual acts =/= I have never had sex before

Defensive much?

Sounds like you aren't so proud of your celibacy as you would have us believe.

At any rate, your "holier-than-thou" proudly-clinging-to-celibacy line of bullshit doesn't impress anyone. All it means is that you are.afraid to death of your own sexuality, and fucking stupid enough to fucking crow about it. Hobo

No one with an iota of self-respect would lower themself to fuck a batshit-crazy asswipe like you, so you put on pretentious airs of "chastity".


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Quote:As long as I am alive I find it hard to think I am "missing out" on reality.

What you are missing out on is the one life you have to live. You are trading your one life in on the empty superstitions of long-dead ignorant illiterate goat fuckers who didn't have a tiny fraction of the information, knowledge, and education that you now refuse to avail yourself to.


Quote: I wake up to it every morning and go to sleep to it every night.

You wake up to your pathetic superstitious delusions and your meaningless life, and you get up and troll good people who live far more happy and satisfying lives than you do -- taking your sick and sad frustrations out on us.

You have no idea what a clown you are to us. If you knew, you would slink away and hide in shame.

Quote:Freedom from delusion. Well I guess I am missing out on that if by freedom from delusion you imply freedom from the delusion that the universe just popped into existence uncaused, for nothing, by nothing and from nothing.

Bullshit red herring much? Your desperation is showing again.
Quote:And that we somehow evolved from some form of life that came to be by some natural occurrence to what we are now........

Uhh.....

Facepalm

How utterly self-revealing.

The fact that YOU are too cowardly to face the abject folly of the iron-age-goatfucker superstitions you cling to is YOUR problem alone.

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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22-05-2014, 11:49 PM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(22-05-2014 06:46 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I would be willing to wager, if I were a wagering man, that I know more about atheism than you do.

Really? You know more about atheism than we do?

I, for one, know NOTHING about atheism because atheism is not a THING. It cannot be known because it does not exist.

Knowing about "atheism" is like knowing about "unicorn disbelief" - there is no way I could claim that I know more, or less, or anything, about "unicorn disbelief" because the disbelief of unicorns is not a THING. It's not a club, it's not a group, it's not an organization, it's not a belief system, it's not even a disbelief system. The people who disbelieve in unicorns are all different, all unique. They all have their own lives and own beliefs and own priorities and own moralities and nobody on this planet is defined by his or her disbelief of unicorns. Knowing that a person doesn't believe in unicorns tells me NOTHING about that person or about their beliefs; all it tells me is that he or she doesn't believe in a specific mythological creature.

Exactly the same thing can be said about atheism.

You don't even know what atheism is (or more specifically, what atheism isn't), let alone know more about it than anyone else.

You lose.

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23-05-2014, 12:13 AM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(22-05-2014 08:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-05-2014 07:43 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I abstain from all sexual acts =/= I have never had sex before

As long as I am alive I find it hard to think I am "missing out" on reality. I wake up to it every morning and go to sleep to it every night.

Freedom from delusion. Well I guess I am missing out on that if by freedom from delusion you imply freedom from the delusion that the universe just popped into existence uncaused, for nothing, by nothing and from nothing. And that we somehow evolved from some form of life that came to be by some natural occurrence to what we are now........

Uhh.....

Facepalm

I don't know how the universe began, or if it began. Neither do you.

The evidence for evolution overwhelming, to deny that is delusional.
Even the catholiKKK church has admitted that they cannot deny evolution.



What flavor of batshit xtard ARE you anyway, Jermy? Kind of dodgy that you never mentioned. But not surprising at all -- just another mark of a troll. In your case, a FAIL Troll.

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23-05-2014, 05:59 AM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
(22-05-2014 06:20 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  Can you put in your own words what Dr. Oralsex says, and why we should find it compelling?

You refuse to view videos posted by anyone else. Why should we?

That's why he's doing this. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't figure out this way to troll us earlier.
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23-05-2014, 06:46 AM
RE: Dr. Ordway's lecture
Bloody hell that woman waffles on. Finally got to 17.30 minutes where she admits that she became a Christian because she had an emotional need. This time it was because she wanted some meaning in her life.

Hmm, this all sounds rather familiar. Oh look, the same conclusion based on another video posted by JEW

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid577040

The mistake people make is that they think of the brain as being rational. It isn't. We're wetware. The brain is a self organising system that is constantly trying to settle into a stable state in the same way that the body continually tries to maintain homoeostasis.

Emotions aid in this by increasing and decreasing neural activity on a large scale, normally through the use of neurochemicals. She had an emotional need because she was disturbed by the lack of meaning in her life. She found the easiest solution available to her to be contented.

If that's what it takes for her to be happier then good for her. But it doesn't necessarily work for the rest of us.
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23-05-2014, 06:49 AM
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I watched it.

Now, Jem, will you be watching the ones posted for your viewing pleasure?

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23-05-2014, 07:00 AM
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(22-05-2014 07:04 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Who destroyed me?

Whoever taught you about Christianity.
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