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09-10-2017, 06:18 AM
RE: Drunk Florida Man and his gun
(09-10-2017 05:44 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 05:39 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  That's you.

My best friend's sister and her son owe their lives to the fact that she owns, knows how to use, and indeed used a Remington 870.

Despite the blathering of the anti- gunners, guns ARE used for self protection all the time.

Yeah, too bad we can't have all that self protection without mass shootings from wingnuts looking to 'protect themselves' from the outside world...

Guns are not the problem.

The problem is a bunch of media soaked fuckers who long to be famous -- and the yellow journalism that's willing to give them that fame..

You can take guns away from the law abiding public - and you will STILL have several generations of mass killers - because you will NOT get all the guns.


Proof?

March 11 1990, Lithuania declared independence from the USSR. News feeds showed Lithuanians armed with WWII vintage weaponry including machine guns - as the Soviet troops left.

This despite the tiny countries occupation by both the Germans and Soviets who has instituted a total ban on gun ownership - under death penalty.

The Lithuanians didn't give up their guns to Hitler or Stalin.

You really think Americans will surrender their guns to Nancy fucking Pelosi???


Yeah, good luck with that.

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09-10-2017, 06:26 AM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016.../90858752/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24054955
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09-10-2017, 06:38 AM
RE: Drunk Florida Man and his gun
(09-10-2017 06:18 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 05:44 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Yeah, too bad we can't have all that self protection without mass shootings from wingnuts looking to 'protect themselves' from the outside world...

Guns are not the problem.

The problem is a bunch of media soaked fuckers who long to be famous -- and the yellow journalism that's willing to give them that fame..

You can take guns away from the law abiding public - and you will STILL have several generations of mass killers - because you will NOT get all the guns.


Proof?

March 11 1990, Lithuania declared independence from the USSR. News feeds showed Lithuanians armed with WWII vintage weaponry including machine guns - as the Soviet troops left.

This despite the tiny countries occupation by both the Germans and Soviets who has instituted a total ban on gun ownership - under death penalty.

The Lithuanians didn't give up their guns to Hitler or Stalin.

You really think Americans will surrender their guns to Nancy fucking Pelosi???


Yeah, good luck with that.

They don't need to surrender them, they just don't need you blithely nodding along when Republicans want to dismantle the regulations we do have in place so that they can start handing out suppressors like candy to said media soaked dipshits (or whatever is the next share price boosting scheme from their NRA paymasters).

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09-10-2017, 06:44 AM
RE: Drunk Florida Man and his gun
(09-10-2017 06:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 06:18 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Guns are not the problem.

The problem is a bunch of media soaked fuckers who long to be famous -- and the yellow journalism that's willing to give them that fame..

You can take guns away from the law abiding public - and you will STILL have several generations of mass killers - because you will NOT get all the guns.


Proof?

March 11 1990, Lithuania declared independence from the USSR. News feeds showed Lithuanians armed with WWII vintage weaponry including machine guns - as the Soviet troops left.

This despite the tiny countries occupation by both the Germans and Soviets who has instituted a total ban on gun ownership - under death penalty.

The Lithuanians didn't give up their guns to Hitler or Stalin.

You really think Americans will surrender their guns to Nancy fucking Pelosi???


Yeah, good luck with that.

They don't need to surrender them, they just don't need you blithely nodding along when Republicans want to dismantle the regulations we do have in place so that they can start handing out suppressors like candy to said media soaked dipshits (or whatever is the next share price boosting scheme from their NRA paymasters).

Suppressors are a problem???

Really???

Show me some data that shows they're used criminally - and not your standard of " I don't like it".


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09-10-2017, 07:05 AM
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(09-10-2017 12:21 AM)Banjo Wrote:  White middle aged American men seem rather angry.

The world left them behind, and they don't like owning up for their part in all of it.
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09-10-2017, 07:25 AM
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Guns are not the problem when discussing mass shootings is akin to saying cigarettes are not the problem when discussing lung cancer. Lets blame matches or butane lighters, an uneducated public, or the public’s lack of self control (even though it has been found that nicotine is more addictive than heroin).

Guns are not the problem, it has to be those pesky people (think concert goers) that keep getting in front of the bullets...yes, that must be it. Dodgy

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09-10-2017, 07:54 AM
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(09-10-2017 07:05 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 12:21 AM)Banjo Wrote:  White middle aged American men seem rather angry.

The world left them behind, and they don't like owning up for their part in all of it.

Ah, sweeping generalizations for the win? Consider
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09-10-2017, 07:54 AM
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(09-10-2017 07:05 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 12:21 AM)Banjo Wrote:  White middle aged American men seem rather angry.

The world left them behind, and they don't like owning up for their part in all of it.

What was my part?
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09-10-2017, 07:55 AM
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(09-10-2017 07:25 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Guns are not the problem when discussing mass shootings is akin to saying cigarettes are not the problem when discussing lung cancer. Lets blame matches or butane lighters, an uneducated public, or the public’s lack of self control (even though it has been found that nicotine is more addictive than heroin).

Guns are not the problem, it has to be those pesky people (think concert goers) that keep getting in front of the bullets...yes, that must be it. Dodgy

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09-10-2017, 07:55 AM
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(09-10-2017 06:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  They don't need to surrender them, they just don't need you blithely nodding along when Republicans want to dismantle the regulations we do have in place so that they can start handing out suppressors like candy to said media soaked dipshits (or whatever is the next share price boosting scheme from their NRA paymasters).

About suppressors.

Suppressors work by giving the rapidly expanding gases generated by burning gun powder a place to expand into which slows them down before they exit the muzzle. This helps to reduce noise but does nothing to reduce the loud crack you hear when a bullet exits the barrel at greater than the speed of sound. Most but by no means all bullets have a muzzle velocity faster than the speed of sound.

Your average off the shelf legal to buy without a tax stamp AR-15 chambered for the 5.56 NATO cartridge is going generate somewhere between 165 and 170 db of sound when it fires. That's way above the pain threshold, and capable of causing permanent hearing damage if you are exposed to that level of noise for any sustained time interval. The only thing most civilians are likely to experience in their lives that generates the same sound level as a gun shot is a first generation airbag going off.

The best of the suppressors designed and marketed in the US for the 5.56 NATO cartridge are around 1.5" in diameter and run 6" to 10" in length. They produce 30 to 35 db of total noise reduction. That means the average 5.56 AR with a suppressor is still going to generate between 130 and 140 db's of noise when it is fired. To put that in context that's louder than a rock concert (110 db) and thunder (120 db). It falls in the same range as peak stadium crowd noise (130 db), an air raid siren (135 db) and a commercial jet engine at take off (140 db).

Sure you could build a suppressor for a bolt action 22 rimfire firing subsonic ammunition that could get the noise level down to the pfft you hear on TV or the movies, but the damn thing is going to be at least the size of a gallon milk jug. Even then you still can't get rid of the supersonic crack from a round traveling faster than the speed of sound. There is simply no way to silence a supersonic rifle round without building a suppressor hundreds of yards long because that is how far the bullet travels before it drops to subsonic velocity.

Why would someone want a suppressor? Anyone who values their hearing and shoots guns should want one. Anyone that lives near a gun range is probably going to want the people shooting there to use them. You might (or might not) be interested to learn that in countries like the UK and New Zealand, countries that have gun laws many in the US would like to model ours after, suppressors are a lot easier to buy than they are in the US. In the UK it is considered rude to shoot a gun without one. Suppressors are user and observer friendly. If you are anywhere in the neighborhood you are still going to be able to hear most suppressed gunshots. Your ears just aren't going to bleed if you are close by.

Most gun crime in the US is committed with hand guns. Suppressors can make handguns quieter, but that comes at the expense of reduced concealability. Making handguns harder to conceal is actually a good thing as far as crime goes.

It is my understanding that the regulations concerning suppressors currently being considered by congress don't make them available for handing out like candy. They simply remove them from the NFA registry, and put them into the same category as most firearms. Convicted felons still wouldn't be allowed to own them. Going to the gun store and buying one would still require a background check. With all that being said it begs the question of what is the problem with the legislation concerning suppressors that is currently under consideration in congress?

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