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08-08-2017, 05:46 PM
RE: Dueling with drink?
Just updating. I added a +1 yesterday kicking and screaming, and then caved today. I love the advice that was presented though. Tomorrow I'm hoping to implement it. For now I've cracked. I heard a saying recently: One is too many, and then a thousand won't be enough.

This is so painfully true it hurts almost physically.

I meant to ask you Dworkin if you've noticed a change in your digestion since starting Milk Thistle. I've actually heard it can do wonders.

Regards!

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09-08-2017, 03:16 AM
RE: Dueling with drink?
(08-08-2017 05:46 PM)Cosmo Wrote:  Just updating. I added a +1 yesterday kicking and screaming, and then caved today. I love the advice that was presented though. Tomorrow I'm hoping to implement it. For now I've cracked. I heard a saying recently: One is too many, and then a thousand won't be enough.

This is so painfully true it hurts almost physically.

I meant to ask you Dworkin if you've noticed a change in your digestion since starting Milk Thistle. I've actually heard it can do wonders.

Regards!

Cosmo,

I'm with you, mate. I sunk the best part of a bottle of wine last night, with some pasta and a video game. Was tempted with a vodka nightcap but let that go.

I'm taking the milk thistle every morning and some valerian tablets which might be helping. Yes, my tum is better.

What seems to be happening at my end is that I've moved from a drink every second day to a drink every third day. I can manage a week dry if there has been a big hangover, but I'm not 'on the wagon' in the true sense.

Let's take the long view and record the drinks. If the amount goes down over a couple of months, then I'm encouraged, if it doesn't or goes up, then it could be time for more serious action.

ATB,

D.
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09-08-2017, 05:15 PM
RE: Dueling with drink?
Made it to today. That's 5 days. That's better than a kick in the balls with a frozen muck luk right?

Anyway Started with a crazy day, which will always happen, I think I could have dealt with that. But it meant working later then usual and making my wife walk to work.

Ended with me driving to my wife's work to drop off the car so she can drive home after midnight.

Don't care how many times the mayor says we live in a "safe" city my wife isn't walking home from work after midnight. It's only a 30 minute walk but not in the dark...but I digress.

On the way there I take the highway for a short on/off bit for about a 1/2 km, on the on ramp some FUCKTARD STOPPED ON THE ON RAMP! I don't know if he didn't know how to merge onto a highway or what but I had to slam my brakes on hard to stop before hitting him, and I blasted my horn hard to get his?/Her? ass moving while hoping that someone didn't come up behind me at 100 kph about to turn me into a statistic.

I still remember the lady that stopped on a highway on-ramp a few years ago to let some ducks cross...in Quebec somewhere... two motorcyclists were killed when they slammed into the back of her car.

So...yeah.
Restart tomorrow.

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10-08-2017, 08:03 AM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2017 08:16 AM by RearViewMirror.)
RE: Dueling with drink?
(08-08-2017 05:46 PM)Cosmo Wrote:  Just updating. I added a +1 yesterday kicking and screaming, and then caved today. I love the advice that was presented though. Tomorrow I'm hoping to implement it. For now I've cracked. I heard a saying recently: One is too many, and then a thousand won't be enough.

This is so painfully true it hurts almost physically.

When I was going through my shit I felt the same way. I would beg myself not to go by the liquor store on the way home from duty from the fire station. Without fail I would stop. When I finally hit rock bottom everything (for me) changed. I certainly understand the "One is too many, and then a thousand won't be enough".

We took a trip to Colorado last month and we were eating at a pub that we always go to when in Durango. My wife ordered a beer and asked if I wanted a sip? I said "no" "one drink will turn into me ordering a beer then one beer will turn into 12". That said, my wife didn't do this out of any type of malice. We had a conversation one time where she asked me "after you retire from the FD maybe you can have a beer or two since the stress of the FD won't be there anymore?" (so there is a backstory for this). Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. I've been sober for 6 years now and have no desire to go back down that pit. I climbed out of it once but I'm not sure I'd have the strength to do it again. So I'm not willing to test the waters to find out.

Don't beat yourself up over falling off the wagon. Life has a way of fucking shit up and sometimes it can become too much. It's how we decide to handle those situations that make a difference in our lives. You can ALWAYS start over. No shame in that.

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10-08-2017, 10:14 PM
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I'm white-knuckling the hell out of tonight, but with no booze in the house and less than an hour before sales stop (and the nearest open store 20 minutes away) I got this.

I won't lie, though. If I had beer in the house I'd be writing about a new Day One tomorrow. It's been a very, very rough day. One that I will not go through again, though. It's over, and I'm not.
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11-08-2017, 01:57 AM
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(10-08-2017 10:14 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I'm white-knuckling the hell out of tonight, but with no booze in the house and less than an hour before sales stop (and the nearest open store 20 minutes away) I got this.

I won't lie, though. If I had beer in the house I'd be writing about a new Day One tomorrow. It's been a very, very rough day. One that I will not go through again, though. It's over, and I'm not.

Thump,

That's a tough spot to be in and a hard fight. Respect.

D.
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11-08-2017, 03:00 AM
RE: Dueling with drink?
Just woke up ... went to sleep a little before midnight. One more day in the books.
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11-08-2017, 07:36 AM
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(11-08-2017 03:00 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Just woke up ... went to sleep a little before midnight. One more day in the books.

Good job my friend! I know those feelings all too well and you pulled through last night. One battle at a time and you're doing it.

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11-08-2017, 08:27 AM
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Sometimes it's one day at a time. Sometimes it's one minutes at a time.

Right now it's one minute at a time.
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11-08-2017, 03:23 PM
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I've been involved in alcoholism research for the last 7 or so years and worked professionally with drug addicts since the early 1990's. The field of medical treatment of addiction is at a very interesting stage. Methadone was the treatment of choice for opiate addiction back in the 1990's and then Suboxone. The general public aren't told much about these treatments and there was nothing for alcoholism at all until relatively recently.

Reckitt Benckiser developed Suboxone but it went out of patent and they got involved in anti-generic activities a few years ago and were eventually prosecuted by the FDA. Suboxone was the only drug of it's kind marketed by Reckitt and the loss of the patent put a huge hole in their profits so they went looking for a replacement and came up with Arbaclofen, which was initially developed to treat autism: http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/20/th...in-autism/ That effort failed and eventually Reckitts made a deal for the rights and is now trialling Arbaclofen for all uses including alcoholism and addiction.

A company like RB will have the top scientists working for them and they will have to spend $billions to get this product to market so it's interesting they're pursuing this. The main focus will likely be for use in alcoholism treatment because Arbaclofen is a purer version of baclofen which is now being used extensively around the world for treatment of alcoholism. https://www.dddmag.com/news/2014/05/reck...t-pipeline

There are also Nalmafene and Naltrexone which have a different mechanism and have been around for a while, are expensive and don't have any research supporting long term efficacy.

I used to drink regularly, every day, but never had a problem. I've only drunk to excess about half a dozen times in my life and that resulted in my having a bad hangover, but I decided to quit about 20 years ago. I was drinking every day at dinner, about half a bottle of wine and going out socially a few times a week and having a few drinks. Drinking lost any attraction for me in the end because it didn't have any effect other than to temporarily relax me and give me a mild headache the next morning. I found that even with this low level of consumption, it was almost impossible to give it up. I tapered off over a period of a couple of years by restricting my drinking to half a pint of beer when I drank socially and not having any at home but I was drinking socially most days.

I stopped drinking altogether after we had a child and my wife went into a deep depression and hit the bottle big time so I had to step in and look after our son. Her condition worsened over time to the point she was on death's door and drinking over a litre of vodka a day and only sobering up when she was so ill she was vomiting and unable to drink. As soon as she was able to hold her food down, usually a week later, she would start drinking again. This went on for about 6 years and I had to hold down a very stressful job, care for our son, make all the meals and care for my wife. I tried every drug and treatment I could find. She was constantly in and out of hospitals and clinics and we had no support whatsoever from anyone. In fact, the reverse was true and we were confronted with the full force of public and family "disapproval".

It was only when she took baclofen that this changed and over time she stopped drinking completely and now lives a normal life.

We went to one alcohol treatment center and the advisor told us that most alcoholics try to stop 50 times before they succeed and sent my wife on an addition course designed for heroin addicts. He said the concepts were the same. It was not just useless but made my wife drink more in anticipation of going to the sessions.

I don't buy into AA Twelve-Step ideology. This is a neurological problem. At the low end, someone can stop drinking if they don't have a serious brain issue. At the top end, it's an intractable problem which needs serious medical intervention...which is not available unless you self prescribe. In 10 years, you'll be able to get a branded alcohol pill and when this happens, because it is marketed by a Big Pharma like Reckitts, it will become just like the morning after pill or Viagra. People will forget all this nonsense about higher powers and will power and just say, "go get a pill".
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