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11-12-2015, 01:47 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:42 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 12:41 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Except that verse 18 says that there is more to come before all is fulfilled and "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law". He also said elsewhere that people should keep the commandments which would have to mean that the law was still in effect.

The only way to make sense of it if you assume it is true would be to say that the second coming will be when Jesus actually finishes his assignment and fulfills the law (whatever the hell that actually means). Of course, if you don't start with that assumption then it is just a confused piece of fan fiction written decades after the events to try to explain why the world didn't end when they thought it would.
John 18:30 "....It is finished"

It was John 19:30 where he said that actually.

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11-12-2015, 01:47 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:47 PM)jennybee Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 01:42 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  John 18:30 "....It is finished"

It was John 19:30 where he said that actually.
Ok. Thanks.
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11-12-2015, 01:48 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
What is important to remember is that the prophecy have been fofilled.

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies...."
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Harry Potter was that boy. He bared the mark, he defeated the dark lord Voldemort. I.E. Harry potter is real. He saved us from the evils of magic.

Another Prophecy
In the time of greatest despair
a child shall be born
who will destroy the Sith
and bring balance to the Force.


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I.E. The force is real. Darth Vader brought balance to the force. So we wouldn't have to concern ourselves with inbalance.

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11-12-2015, 01:53 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:44 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 01:03 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Except for eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics, of course.

I'll have to see if I can get a loan from a Christian bank so I can have it forgiven when the seventh year comes around.
Acts 10:15 "...Do not call anything impure what God has made clean."

Contradiction number 1...

1 Corinthians 10:18-22 "Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?"

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11-12-2015, 01:54 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:42 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 12:41 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Except that verse 18 says that there is more to come before all is fulfilled and "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law". He also said elsewhere that people should keep the commandments which would have to mean that the law was still in effect.

The only way to make sense of it if you assume it is true would be to say that the second coming will be when Jesus actually finishes his assignment and fulfills the law (whatever the hell that actually means). Of course, if you don't start with that assumption then it is just a confused piece of fan fiction written decades after the events to try to explain why the world didn't end when they thought it would.
John 18:30 "....It is finished"

It's a pretty big stretch to assume that applies to anything more than the physical death that was happening. It also contradicts the "till heaven and earth pass" part.

It's also interesting that those aren't his last words according to the other gospels.

If you get to pick and choose what you believe and you get to assume things mean whatever you want them to then you can make anything make sense. Face it, it is a confused mess of contradictory claims which is just what you'd expect from hearsay accounts recorded years after the fact by people with an agenda to push.
It isn't what you'd expect from a divinely inspired record of god's most important message to his creation.

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11-12-2015, 01:54 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:53 PM)jennybee Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 01:44 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  Acts 10:15 "...Do not call anything impure what God has made clean."

Contradiction number 1...

1 Corinthians 10:18-22 "Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?"
That scripture is saying you cannot worship God and demons. The intent is not about clean and unclean food.
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11-12-2015, 01:57 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:47 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 01:47 PM)jennybee Wrote:  It was John 19:30 where he said that actually.
Ok. Thanks.

No problem. Actually, there is some debate as to what Jesus' last words were:

Matt. 27:46-50

Luke 23:46

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11-12-2015, 01:57 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:54 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 01:42 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  John 18:30 "....It is finished"

It's a pretty big stretch to assume that applies to anything more than the physical death that was happening. It also contradicts the "till heaven and earth pass" part.

It's also interesting that those aren't his last words according to the other gospels.

If you get to pick and choose what you believe and you get to assume things mean whatever you want them to then you can make anything make sense. Face it, it is a confused mess of contradictory claims which is just what you'd expect from hearsay accounts recorded years after the fact by people with an agenda to push.
It isn't what you'd expect from a divinely inspired record of god's most important message to his creation.
I thought the intent of the conversation was to explain why Christians don't believe the OT law applies, not to prove Christianity.
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11-12-2015, 01:58 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:57 PM)jennybee Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 01:47 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  Ok. Thanks.

No problem. Actually, there is some debate as to what Jesus' last words were:

Matt. 27:46-50

Luke 23:46
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11-12-2015, 02:01 PM
RE: Dutch Pranksters Swap Bible Cover with Koran Cover.
(11-12-2015 01:54 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 01:53 PM)jennybee Wrote:  Contradiction number 1...

1 Corinthians 10:18-22 "Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?"
That scripture is saying you cannot worship God and demons. The intent is not about clean and unclean food.

No, Paul was talking about what food was clean or safe to eat in the marketplace. Since most of the food was prepared by pagan shops, they sacrificed said meat to pagan gods. Christians were fearful of eating said meat since God doesn't like people who commit idolatry. This is what Paul is addressing here.

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