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25-12-2013, 11:46 PM
RE: Dutch politician puts sticker on his door challenging Islam
(20-12-2013 05:30 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  If those stickers are as bad as Nazi Germany, one has to wonder what our own Pictures to Laugh at Religion thread is comparable to...

It would be comparable to the Zombie Apocalypse version of Nazi Germany, with zombie Hitler, zombie Goebbels etc. My tentative hierarchy would be:

Increasing evilness
^
|
|Nazi Germany with Zombie Apocalypse with zombie Justin Bieber as the only source of music
|Nazi Germany with Zombie Apocalypse with (non-zombie) Justin Bieber as the only source of music
|Nazi Germany with Zombie Apocalypse
|Nazi Germany
|

With my hierarchy of evilness I think I have created room for the accusations to go somewhere other than in just a recursive pattern (though that would an interesting development in name-calling).
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26-12-2013, 01:49 AM
RE: Dutch politician puts sticker on his door challenging Islam
Good on him. Islam is a plague on this planet and has no right to exist and needs to be stamped out.

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26-12-2013, 07:45 AM
RE: Dutch politician puts sticker on his door challenging Islam
(25-12-2013 11:06 PM)Chippy Wrote:  
(20-12-2013 05:08 AM)Caveman Wrote:  Dutch politician Geert Wilders has published a line of stickers.
These stickers resemble the flag of Saudi Arabia (green field with arab text), but the text on them is changed.
The original is:

ا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله ومُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله
lā ʾilāha ʾillā l-Lāh wa Muḥammadun rasūlu l-Lāh
"There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God
(wikipedia)
While Wilders' sticker reads:

Islam is a lie.
Muhamed was a criminal.
The Kuran is toxic.

Politically correct Holland has condemned the stickers: Calling it as bad as Nazi germany.

Your thoughts please.

That is fine. The purpose of a right to free speech is to protect unpopular speech. If everyone agreed with everyone then there would no need for such a right.

But if you are going to take freedom of speech seriously then religious people should also be free to publically condemn homosexuality, Darwin etc.

Also each of the particpants in the argument should be free to call each other Nazis, Hitler and so on. I would very much like to see a recursive Nazi argument: the supporters of the stickers should respond that it is as bad as Nazi Germany to claim that stickers against Islam are as bad as Nazi Germany...

I agree with you.

Geert Wilders lead the party called PVV (Partij voor Vrijheid - Freedom Party).
However, their notion of freedom is selective. One of Wilders "brilliant" idea
is the "kopvoddentax" (head rag tax). People wearing a head scarf in public
should pay 1000 Euros a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_rag_tax

(This is not law - at least not yet.)
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26-12-2013, 01:49 PM
RE: Dutch politician puts sticker on his door challenging Islam
(26-12-2013 07:45 AM)black_squirrel Wrote:  I agree with you.

Geert Wilders lead the party called PVV (Partij voor Vrijheid - Freedom Party).
However, their notion of freedom is selective. One of Wilders "brilliant" idea
is the "kopvoddentax" (head rag tax). People wearing a head scarf in public
should pay 1000 Euros a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_rag_tax

(This is not law - at least not yet.)

What do you mean by "freedom is selective"?

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26-12-2013, 05:04 PM
RE: Dutch politician puts sticker on his door challenging Islam
(26-12-2013 01:49 PM)Caveman Wrote:  
(26-12-2013 07:45 AM)black_squirrel Wrote:  I agree with you.

Geert Wilders lead the party called PVV (Partij voor Vrijheid - Freedom Party).
However, their notion of freedom is selective. One of Wilders "brilliant" idea
is the "kopvoddentax" (head rag tax). People wearing a head scarf in public
should pay 1000 Euros a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_rag_tax

(This is not law - at least not yet.)

What do you mean by "freedom is selective"?

They claim to be for freedom, but this is not always true. So they
pick and choose when to be for freedom, and when to be against it.
If it comes to wearing a head scarf, they are against freedom.
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27-12-2013, 02:32 AM
RE: Dutch politician puts sticker on his door challenging Islam
Every political party picks and chooses when it's convenient.
PVV is, in that aspect, no different from all the other parties in every government on the planet.

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