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05-05-2014, 12:32 PM
Elections: who to vote for?
The Belgian elections are taking place at the end of this month and I have to admit, I haven't got the slightest clue who to vote for. To make things worse, I have a degree in political sciences, so I really should be able to make a good decision.

After having read the bullshit party propaganda, filled with empty promises to give us all chests of gold while politicians would be farting rainbows in parliament that would solve all the world's problems, I decided to do some online tests.

First test series: my scores overlaps with 2 politicians: one from the racist extreme right and another from one our supermulticultural communist party... 2 complete extremes...

So then I did some other tests, and it turns out that I'm a socialist, a liberal (not the US-kind), a separatist, a communist and a fascist and a hippie.

It feels as if I get to choose out of a series of burglars who can rob my house. Some promise to shit on my carpet, some will steal the beer from my fridge, others will rape my cat, but they will rob me anyway. Come on, democracy, you used to be cool...

"Infinitus est numerus stultorum." (The number of fools is infinite)
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05-05-2014, 04:32 PM
RE: Elections: who to vote for?
Seems like the same situation as I feel like I'm in in the US - none of the politicians are worth the carbon they're made of... One party will let corporations run roughshod over everyone's rights and the environment to chase that dolla dolla bill, the other will tax you until you bleed, but conveniently fail to provide the services claimed (or do them well, at least - healthcare.gov roll out anyone?). The other parties stand as much chance of being elected as a bona-fide communist would (hint: none at all).

Republican farts stick their noses in your bedroom and shit on your rights, while screaming about their religious constituents' inability to force their desires on everyone as if that's "persecution", while the Democrats stick their hands in our wallets and scatter the money everywhere, while perhaps a penny or two will fall onto something useful...

And yeah, I hate one party far more than the other (the Republicans), but vote for neither since it doesn't matter in my state anyway (another rant). Yay Texas...
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05-05-2014, 07:00 PM
RE: Elections: who to vote for?
How is it possible to be a communist, fascist hippie?

Communism

- Classless society, in which the state provides all your needs. Aims towards an unobtainable utopian state, resulting in mass poverty and corruption. Hates fascism and capitalism.

Fascism

- A totalitarian society in which all dissent is suppressed in order to maintain unity. Advocates waging wars of aggression against its neighbors for its own gain. Hates individuality, peace, communists and anyone ethnically different.

Hippieism

- Advocates peace, love and happiness for all peoples of all creeds and nations. Encourages followers to expand their minds either with drugs, meditation, epic guitar solos or all three. Hates "The Man", war, violence, narcs, and anything that's generally a drag.

Surely these three can not coexist...

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05-05-2014, 07:17 PM
RE: Elections: who to vote for?
Just vote for the major right wing or center party.
Can't go wrong. Or the party that wants to make English the national language because that would benefit me greatly.

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05-05-2014, 09:52 PM
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Oh yeah, just remembered... According to Bob Dylan, you should "hate nothing at all except hatred."

Fascism is hatred... So you can be a fascist hippie, as long as you hate yourself.

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05-05-2014, 11:15 PM
RE: Elections: who to vote for?
Communism, has not been done right (if that's possible) , all instances of it have been in a dictatorship environment.

Is Star trek federation communist or Utopian ? a mix maybe

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05-05-2014, 11:25 PM
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Even if you get it right communism is stupid.
It's just a flawed idea.

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06-05-2014, 03:15 AM
RE: Elections: who to vote for?
They're all the same. You're fucked either way.

Truth seeker.
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06-05-2014, 06:07 AM
RE: Elections: who to vote for?
When I was a child, I believed that Santa Claus existed, based on the evidence of the presents and on my parents' misleading claims about those presents having magically appeared there overnight. I was also a believer in democracy, surely influenced by my parents' confidence in the system. When I was born, the country where I happened to be was lead by a military dictator that died shortly after, so the "power to the people" alternative was attractive and welcome.

Then I grew up, and I noticed how the world around me was not the world depicted in the democratic propaganda fed to me during my education. Democratic laws are said to emanate from the people in general but that is simply not true; laws are written by legislators, just like they have for millennia. People are said to be behind the laws because people get to choose the legislators (as if legislators and laws were the same thing) but electoral laws are too often carefully crafted by those with the ability to craft laws so that people's choices will benefit them, regardless of people's choices.

Modern legislators claim to speak on behalf of the people, just like ancient legislators claimed to speak on behalf of some deity. In my view, both are instances of some people resorting to the authority given by an abstract notion in order to tell other people what they can, cannot, must and must not do.

The last time I voted, I asked myself why should I give anyone the authority to rule over the rest of us. Why should I give anyone the ability to impose taxes upon people who have barely enough to live, so that the money can be spent buying luxurious cars as well as warplanes? Will I admit my responsibility if I happen to choose the candidate that leads my family, friends and strangers around me to dying while killing in a war for the leader's benefit?

Now I don't vote. I don't believe in democracy just like I don't believe in Santa Claus. Presents do not magically appear under a tree and democracy does not give power to the people; it restricts people's abilities through the enforcement of rules of mandatory behaviour. Modern democracies are dictatorships in which the dictator is replaced every few years, but people are still forced to do what the legislators say, because the laws that the legislators write say that people are bound by those laws. Nice piece of circular logic.

If you think someone has the capability to arrange our behaviours so that we all benefit from the effort, by all means vote for that person to rule above others, but please keep in mind that you may be believing empty promises and please be honest enough to admit your responsibility if the prince turns out to be a frog. If you don't think anyone has such capability, then it would make sense that you don't vote for anyone, but please also keep in mind that blank votes are like blank cheques; they can be read as "I don't care who tells me what I must and must not do, as long as someone tells me what I must and must not do".

If you think you're old enough to know what is convenient for you to do and not do, without having a baby-sitter constantly watching you through high-definition CCTV, a sensible option may be not voting at all. I wonder how modern politicians would claim to speak on behalf of the people if the people didn't give them the authority to speak on behalf of them.

But please don't let me tell you what you must do; I'm simply pointing out decisions that you can make. In the end of the day, your behaviour is for your brain to decide, not for anyone else's.

Have fun during election day!
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06-05-2014, 06:16 AM
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Just gonna leave this right here.

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Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up.

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