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05-04-2013, 11:42 PM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(05-04-2013 11:32 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(05-04-2013 11:26 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  lump two sciency-sounding terms together in an attempt to sound intelligent. Hobo

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05-04-2013, 11:54 PM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(Phys.org) —A protein-folding simulation shows that the debated theory of long-term evolution is not only possible, but that the outcomes are predictable. The Stanford experiment provides a framework for testing evolutionary outcomes in living organisms.

"Although the chaos of 128 lineages – a total of more than 16,000 individual proteins – mutating over thousands of generations might seem unpredictable, and that it would be nearly impossible for the same thing to happen twice, it's actually the opposite."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-03-long-term-e...y.html#jCp

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06-04-2013, 12:31 AM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(05-04-2013 10:57 PM)morondog Wrote:  I would have thought emergent complexity was more of an argument for an unguided creation than for ID, given how it shows that simple rules can give rise to complex behaviour.

Buckee seems to think it is a commonly used by ID'st. Its clear he doesn't know what the hell is talking about.
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06-04-2013, 01:44 AM
RE: Emergent Complexity
Heywood,

I presume your demo is a variation on Conway's game of life?

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06-04-2013, 12:12 PM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(05-04-2013 06:42 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(05-04-2013 06:29 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  It may seem intuitive to you, but that has no bearing on reality.

You are correct. Because emergent complexity has been happening for the last 13.7 billion years, that's no guarantee its been happening eternally.

You believe the universe has been increasing in complexity since its beginnings?

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06-04-2013, 12:17 PM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(06-04-2013 12:12 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  
(05-04-2013 06:42 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  You are correct. Because emergent complexity has been happening for the last 13.7 billion years, that's no guarantee its been happening eternally.

You believe the universe has been increasing in complexity since its beginnings?

As entropy has increased more complex things have come into existence.
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06-04-2013, 12:20 PM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(06-04-2013 12:17 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 12:12 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  You believe the universe has been increasing in complexity since its beginnings?

As entropy has increased more complex things have come into existence.

At the cost of loss of complexity elsewhere.

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06-04-2013, 12:40 PM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(06-04-2013 12:12 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  
(05-04-2013 06:42 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  You are correct. Because emergent complexity has been happening for the last 13.7 billion years, that's no guarantee its been happening eternally.

You believe the universe has been increasing in complexity since its beginnings?

It would have definitely been increasing in complexity since the beginning of time. This wouldn't last forever though, eventually we would see a general decrease in complexity I'd say, as stars die out, life becomes impossible to form, and black holes form that eat up all that delicious complexity.

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06-04-2013, 01:12 PM
RE: Emergent Complexity
(06-04-2013 12:40 PM)Adenosis Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 12:12 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  You believe the universe has been increasing in complexity since its beginnings?

It would have definitely been increasing in complexity since the beginning of time. This wouldn't last forever though, eventually we would see a general decrease in complexity I'd say, as stars die out, life becomes impossible to form, and black holes form that eat up all that delicious complexity.

There is likey more to reality then the observable universe.
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06-04-2013, 01:37 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2013 11:05 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Emergent Complexity
(06-04-2013 01:12 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 12:40 PM)Adenosis Wrote:  It would have definitely been increasing in complexity since the beginning of time. This wouldn't last forever though, eventually we would see a general decrease in complexity I'd say, as stars die out, life becomes impossible to form, and black holes form that eat up all that delicious complexity.

There is likey more to reality then the observable universe.

You forgot to demonstrate how/why you know that.

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