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17-07-2016, 11:30 PM
RE: Empaths
This post made me giggle. I think it's really important to always always question these things and ask for some form of proof, or at the very least, solid communication.
First, I think there is a huge error in the New Age movement. So many people think that if they do yoga, chant the Om, and drink shots of wheat grass juice everyday all of their daddy issues and anger toward the world will magically evaporate. This is just another defense mechanism we have found to run away from our problems and avoid taking reasonability for our actions and who we are as people.
Secondly, there is no solid scientific evidence yet to be discovered that proves the existence of empaths. Partly, it is estimated that only about 2-4% of the population has some degree of empathic abilities. I'm guessing that number is a lot lower. There is no political or economic gain in researching empaths, so I doubt we will really know for sure for a while to come weather there is hard evidence to back up people's claims.
The first time I heard there word empath was while I was staying with my aunt (my mom's youngest sister) in Massachusetts last year. My mom's family (excluding the aunt I was staying with) is very dramatic and in everyone else's business. They also find sneaky ways of gossiping under the pretense of feeling "concerned". Well, my cousin and I had a conversation about something I don't remember, and not two hours later him mom called me and unleashed all of her "concern" onto me. My aunt said she watched all of my energy drain as I listened for an hour. After the conversation I had to go to bed early because I felt so distraught and fatigued. My aunt told me that she thought might be an empath. I had no idea what she was talking about and waved the idea away up until about 2 months ago when I came across an article about empaths. After reading it I felt a mix of scepticism and discomfort. I've always had a hard time being in crowds, I have panic attacks occasionally, and I have always gravitated towards people going through hard times. Maybe I'm just very sensitive, who knows. I don't think being empathic makes someone special, at best it's an inconvenient, overwhelming, isolating way be. It isn't a gift, anyone can be empathetic and caring and those people are probably a lot more helpful because they can be more grounded and objective.
All I'm saying is that it is entirely possible to display symptoms of being "empathic". Whether or not it's legitimate is debatable. What most people don't understand about it is, being empathic doesn't make you a good person. Being a good person makes you a good person. It doesn't make you smarter or less judgmental. It just makes you more aware of certain things. I think it's awful for your friends to use it as an excuse to neglect your friendship, I hope you are doing better and have found a more solid support system since you posted this. In all honesty, they don't sound empathic, they sound insecure and self absorbed.
I hope this doesn't sound too much like a rant, I just want to say open up the possibility that somebody can be an empath, but that doesn't mean they know it, it doesn't mean they are decent, and it doesn't make them gifted. We're all equal, and all of us are trying to figure things out without losing our sanity in the process.
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18-07-2016, 12:54 AM
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(17-07-2016 11:30 PM)AnnieN Wrote:  This post made me giggle. I think it's really important to always always question these things and ask for some form of proof, or at the very least, solid communication.
First, I think there is a huge error in the New Age movement. So many people think that if they do yoga, chant the Om, and drink shots of wheat grass juice everyday all of their daddy issues and anger toward the world will magically evaporate. This is just another defense mechanism we have found to run away from our problems and avoid taking reasonability for our actions and who we are as people.
Secondly, there is no solid scientific evidence yet to be discovered that proves the existence of empaths. Partly, it is estimated that only about 2-4% of the population has some degree of empathic abilities. I'm guessing that number is a lot lower. There is no political or economic gain in researching empaths, so I doubt we will really know for sure for a while to come weather there is hard evidence to back up people's claims.
The first time I heard there word empath was while I was staying with my aunt (my mom's youngest sister) in Massachusetts last year. My mom's family (excluding the aunt I was staying with) is very dramatic and in everyone else's business. They also find sneaky ways of gossiping under the pretense of feeling "concerned". Well, my cousin and I had a conversation about something I don't remember, and not two hours later him mom called me and unleashed all of her "concern" onto me. My aunt said she watched all of my energy drain as I listened for an hour. After the conversation I had to go to bed early because I felt so distraught and fatigued. My aunt told me that she thought might be an empath. I had no idea what she was talking about and waved the idea away up until about 2 months ago when I came across an article about empaths. After reading it I felt a mix of scepticism and discomfort. I've always had a hard time being in crowds, I have panic attacks occasionally, and I have always gravitated towards people going through hard times. Maybe I'm just very sensitive, who knows. I don't think being empathic makes someone special, at best it's an inconvenient, overwhelming, isolating way be. It isn't a gift, anyone can be empathetic and caring and those people are probably a lot more helpful because they can be more grounded and objective.
All I'm saying is that it is entirely possible to display symptoms of being "empathic". Whether or not it's legitimate is debatable. What most people don't understand about it is, being empathic doesn't make you a good person. Being a good person makes you a good person. It doesn't make you smarter or less judgmental. It just makes you more aware of certain things. I think it's awful for your friends to use it as an excuse to neglect your friendship, I hope you are doing better and have found a more solid support system since you posted this. In all honesty, they don't sound empathic, they sound insecure and self absorbed.
I hope this doesn't sound too much like a rant, I just want to say open up the possibility that somebody can be an empath, but that doesn't mean they know it, it doesn't mean they are decent, and it doesn't make them gifted. We're all equal, and all of us are trying to figure things out without losing our sanity in the process.
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As someone who teaches and practices a lot of yoga, I don't know anyone (myself included) who feels it will solve all of their problems. Yoga does reduce anxiety and stress and has been proven medically to do so. So in that sense, yes, it could help lessen the stress and anxiety from life issues.

On a personal level, yoga has never caused me or anyone I know to run away from their problems. In fact, yoga advocates dealing with your problems head on, but with the addition of various tools such as breathing and relaxation techniques etc. that help you better deal with the stress of whatever it is you are facing.

If you suffer from occasional panic attacks, you might want to give yoga a try. It's not as new agey as you might think. I'm an atheist with several college degrees, who happens to teach yoga and many of my students are also well-educated professionals.
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18-07-2016, 02:04 AM
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I think the OP is going the right way to lose a couple of friends. He's not going to convince them they are wrong because either they have some mental disorder or they are too emotionally vested in their woo, or both.
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18-07-2016, 03:07 AM
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Of course there's no such thing as an "empath"—as the loony woo brigade claim. In its true sense, the word applies to someone feeling empathy for other people who're suffering under less than ideal circumstances. The self-styled empaths hijacked the meaning of the original usage.

Annie said, "I hope this doesn't sound too much like a rant, I just want to say open up the possibility that somebody can be an empath".

Nope; there is NO possibility. Facepalm

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18-07-2016, 04:28 PM
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(17-07-2016 11:30 PM)AnnieN Wrote:  Secondly, there is no solid scientific evidence yet to be discovered that proves the existence of empaths.

Because they don't exist, yes.

(17-07-2016 11:30 PM)AnnieN Wrote:  Partly, it is estimated that only about 2-4% of the population has some degree of empathic abilities.

Estimated by whom?

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18-07-2016, 04:37 PM
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is it too late to offer suggestions? i was going to say you should go to the restroom and look up some porn. work up a semi-boner and then see if she can get a reading off of you.
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18-07-2016, 05:37 PM
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It's like people who say they're good at "reading" other people. Might be true, but it really seems like they're just bragging about having special abilities others don't have.

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19-07-2016, 03:01 AM
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My definition of Empath is somewhat of a Hybrid of what you assumed and what your friends say. I can feel surface emotions of people in a literal sense. There is probably a scientific explaination for this such as the picking up on social cues, body language and overall facial expressions and facial and body structures and their clothing etc.

But if someone, even if they are smiling is not a friendly person I know it just by being within twenty feet of them. It's easy for me to tell a violent disposition of someone and when someone is angry I can kind of almost feel this pressure being pushed down on my shoulders and on my chest. It is quite strange. When someone is down I can almost immediately tell and feel it myself.

But I don't absorb no auras or negative energies or whatever crap these other people are claiming.


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19-07-2016, 07:52 AM
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(19-07-2016 03:01 AM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  My definition of Empath is somewhat of a Hybrid of what you assumed and what your friends say. I can feel surface emotions of people in a literal sense. There is probably a scientific explanation for this such as the picking up on social cues, body language and overall facial expressions and facial and body structures and their clothing etc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Pease

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19-07-2016, 10:55 AM
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(19-07-2016 07:52 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 03:01 AM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  My definition of Empath is somewhat of a Hybrid of what you assumed and what your friends say. I can feel surface emotions of people in a literal sense. There is probably a scientific explanation for this such as the picking up on social cues, body language and overall facial expressions and facial and body structures and their clothing etc...

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