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27-04-2017, 12:13 AM
Empircal Evidence
This is always the go to for atheists, seems a stupid argument to me.
Religions are based on Faith and Belief. In some cases it is actually the entire
point of their religions to have no evidence and use their faith.
If the evidence was ever produced then their religions would no longer be...
as the evidence would make it science.
Yet I'm always hearing this, "Oh you believe in a god? where's the evidence?"
Seems a circular argument that's pointless.

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27-04-2017, 12:20 AM
RE: Empircal Evidence
(27-04-2017 12:13 AM)Walluin Wrote:  This is always the go to for atheists, seems a stupid argument to me.
Religions are based on Faith and Belief. In some cases it is actually the entire
point of their religions to have no evidence and use their faith.
If the evidence was ever produced then their religions would no longer be...
as the evidence would make it science.
Yet I'm always hearing this, "Oh you believe in a god? where's the evidence?"
Seems a circular argument that's pointless.

Just because it's the point of the religion doesn't mean it shouldn't be argued against.

Especially when lots of believers end up abusing others in the name of religions that they can't justify on any grounds other than faith and belief.

.... also, that's not what the phrase "circular argument" means.
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27-04-2017, 12:25 AM
RE: Empircal Evidence
Religions' reliance on faith is a bug, not a feature.

I'm sorry, but your beliefs are much too silly to take seriously. Got anything else we can discuss?
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27-04-2017, 03:07 AM
RE: Empircal Evidence
(27-04-2017 12:13 AM)Walluin Wrote:  This is always the go to for atheists, seems a stupid argument to me.
Religions are based on Faith and Belief. In some cases it is actually the entire
point of their religions to have no evidence and use their faith.
If the evidence was ever produced then their religions would no longer be...
as the evidence would make it science.
Yet I'm always hearing this, "Oh you believe in a god? where's the evidence?"
Seems a circular argument that's pointless.

When theists make the claim that a god exists it is entirely appropriate to ask them for evidence. A claim that something is true is not the same as a belief.

Theist: there is a god.
Atheist: where is the evidence?

Theist: I believe there is a god.
Atheist: okay. But I don't.

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27-04-2017, 04:45 AM (This post was last modified: 27-04-2017 04:53 AM by cactus.)
RE: Empircal Evidence
(27-04-2017 12:13 AM)Walluin Wrote:  This is always the go to for atheists, seems a stupid argument to me.
Religions are based on Faith and Belief. In some cases it is actually the entire
point of their religions to have no evidence and use their faith.
If the evidence was ever produced then their religions would no longer be...
as the evidence would make it science.
Yet I'm always hearing this, "Oh you believe in a god? where's the evidence?"
Seems a circular argument that's pointless.

It's not circular. It's rhetorical.
The psychological tactics used by religions are largely self-refuting if you're first exposed to them as an adult, or if you have the ability to distance yourself from peer pressure long enough to think independently about it.

Why do you think churches guilt people into listening to a lecture and slipping into a music-induced trance every single week?
It's a way of keeping their congregants on a short leash, so they don't have the time and space necessary to fully develop their own unique beliefs.
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27-04-2017, 05:25 AM
RE: Empircal Evidence
(27-04-2017 12:13 AM)Walluin Wrote:  This is always the go to for atheists, seems a stupid argument to me.
Religions are based on Faith and Belief. In some cases it is actually the entire
point of their religions to have no evidence and use their faith.
If the evidence was ever produced then their religions would no longer be...
as the evidence would make it science.
Yet I'm always hearing this, "Oh you believe in a god? where's the evidence?"
Seems a circular argument that's pointless.

But having belief in a person/god, when you can't see them/speak to them/anything else with them, is a bit....bonkers don't you think? Why would I believe some IS there, if you can't show it to me?

My Personal Deity is Dr McNuggerfingers, who turns small amounts of chicken nuggets into many amount of Chicken nuggets, although I can't show him to you, and I definitely can't reproduce the trick, I mean, miracle. You'll just have to believe. Rolleyes

"Belief" and "faith" are two different things. I believe tigers are real, because I've seen them. I believe evolution to be a fact, because I've seen the evidence. I don't believe in god(s) because its all just total garbage, with no evidence of any kind.

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27-04-2017, 05:35 AM
RE: Empircal Evidence
(27-04-2017 12:13 AM)Walluin Wrote:  This is always the go to for atheists, seems a stupid argument to me.
Religions are based on Faith and Belief. In some cases it is actually the entire
point of their religions to have no evidence and use their faith.
If the evidence was ever produced then their religions would no longer be...
as the evidence would make it science.
Yet I'm always hearing this, "Oh you believe in a god? where's the evidence?"
Seems a circular argument that's pointless.

Having no evidence for your beliefs makes evidence unnecessary. Got it.
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27-04-2017, 05:37 AM
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(27-04-2017 12:25 AM)Astreja Wrote:  Religions' reliance on faith is a bug, not a feature.

"It's an ugly world, a bug world!"

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27-04-2017, 05:38 AM
RE: Empircal Evidence
(27-04-2017 05:35 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Having no evidence for your beliefs makes evidence unnecessary. Got it.

That's pretty much the same argument Yogi_Bear (aka A_(non)Thinking_Theist) is using in another thread. it must be the latest talking point in thiest circles.

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27-04-2017, 05:46 AM
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"If I believe, it must be true" - Theism

OK, well I'll get to believing I'm a millionaire and let you know how that gets on.

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