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19-06-2012, 01:16 AM
End goal of GW scientists?
A history forum I frequent has a poll asking members to weigh their vote on how responsible man is for global warming. "None" and "90-100%" are both tied with the most votes. One particular older gentleman (who also happens to be anti-evolution) keeps on pushing evidence that has been debunked time and time again. Anytime he is shown to be mistaken, he just brushes the evidence aside by claiming it to be biased propaganda. Anyway, I've asked him and other climate change deniers what the end goal of global warming scientists is if it is truly a fictional phenomenon. No one has replied yet, and I doubt they ever will. I once asked a fundamentalist Christian on the forum--who created one of those generic "evolution is false because..." threads--why biologists around the world were supporting evolution if it is fake. He initially claimed that many scientists were forced to conform their findings to the myth of evolution or face dismissal. Others more willingly took part in the conspiracy because they simply liked the money they received for fudging their results. He ultimately traced it back to Satan, for it was he who was driving people to a live a life of sin. Given this, I am really interested to see if anyone here has ever heard from Climate deniers why they think the majority of scientists support the reality of global warming.
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19-06-2012, 05:01 AM
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Don't you know? It's to convert the world to socialism and marxism.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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19-06-2012, 06:58 AM
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Im still unsure of wether global warming (or climate change as it is called now) is actually caused tottaly and utterly by people like is proclaimed...... or wether its to do with the reversing of the magnetic poles which causes quick climate change (as is detailed in ice core samples)

I spent 7 years researching conspiracy stuff........ so observing myself from a neutral perspective I would say that I am biased in what I believe even though I will probably never know the "truth"

What I will say though is that there planned "solution"....... to fucking make money off it in the form of carbon taxing....... isnt a solution at all.

Its just another tax.

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19-06-2012, 08:19 AM
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Education is readily available, and putting an economy-wide price on carbon is the most economically efficient mechanism to transform from a high carbon model to a low carbon model.

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19-06-2012, 08:37 AM
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Like people know I live with three very fucked up retarded flatmates.
Climate change is just another thing they don't believe in, right after the moon landings and using their brain.

I believe their arguments were:
- There's no proof (I literally lol'd when they said this)
- Scientist only do it to get money. (So they do it to get money to research something that "doesn't exists" which means they spend 9-5 researching nothing...? So thousands of scientist have just all kept hush hush on the big "lets say its man made to get money" 'scam'? And those same scientists dick around all day, because everybody knows if you wanna make money go to university for 4 or so years doing really hard work intense topics in order to have a slight chance at a medium paying job rather then say.. do a commerce degree and get a high paying job for little effort. mmm ok.)
- The planet is always heating up and cooling down.
- The middle ages were hotter then todays temperatures
I think that's about it.

I admit I don't know much about global warming but when you see this data over and over:

[Image: CO2-Emissions-vs-Levels.gif]

Data that shows huge increase at the same time of the industrial revolution.
Coincidence?

I work off facts. Global warming has plenty of scientific facts. Skeptics have plenty of "scientists are doing it for money" conspiracies.
No argument really.

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19-06-2012, 09:49 AM
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(19-06-2012 08:37 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Like people know I live with three very fucked up retarded flatmates.
Climate change is just another thing they don't believe in, right after the moon landings and using their brain.

I believe their arguments were:
- There's no proof (I literally lol'd when they said this)
- Scientist only do it to get money. (So they do it to get money to research something that "doesn't exists" which means they spend 9-5 researching nothing...? So thousands of scientist have just all kept hush hush on the big "lets say its man made to get money" 'scam'? And those same scientists dick around all day, because everybody knows if you wanna make money go to university for 4 or so years doing really hard work intense topics in order to have a slight chance at a medium paying job rather then say.. do a commerce degree and get a high paying job for little effort. mmm ok.)
- The planet is always heating up and cooling down.
- The middle ages were hotter then todays temperatures
I think that's about it.

I admit I don't know much about global warming but when you see this data over and over:

[Image: CO2-Emissions-vs-Levels.gif]

Data that shows huge increase at the same time of the industrial revolution.
Coincidence?

I work off facts. Global warming has plenty of scientific facts. Skeptics have plenty of "scientists are doing it for money" conspiracies.
No argument really.
Yeah but the science behind it isnt across the board is it???

There are a lot of scientists who disagree to a lot of what is proposed to be the cause.

Are they conspiracists???

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19-06-2012, 09:59 AM
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(19-06-2012 01:16 AM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  A history forum I frequent has a poll asking members to weigh their vote on how responsible man is for global warming. "None" and "90-100%" are both tied with the most votes. One particular older gentleman (who also happens to be anti-evolution) keeps on pushing evidence that has been debunked time and time again. Anytime he is shown to be mistaken, he just brushes the evidence aside by claiming it to be biased propaganda. Anyway, I've asked him and other climate change deniers what the end goal of global warming scientists is if it is truly a fictional phenomenon. No one has replied yet, and I doubt they ever will. I once asked a fundamentalist Christian on the forum--who created one of those generic "evolution is false because..." threads--why biologists around the world were supporting evolution if it is fake. He initially claimed that many scientists were forced to conform their findings to the myth of evolution or face dismissal. Others more willingly took part in the conspiracy because they simply liked the money they received for fudging their results. He ultimately traced it back to Satan, for it was he who was driving people to a live a life of sin. Given this, I am really interested to see if anyone here has ever heard from Climate deniers why they think the majority of scientists support the reality of global warming.
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I also don't think electricity is real either, its just God being the Light of the World an His word lights and guides me (Psalm 119:105).

Yes I accept science as long as it does not conflict with my bronze age books of bad ideas. If it does, science has gotta go. It's a counterfeit made by Satan.

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19-06-2012, 10:01 AM
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Open letter to Ban-Ki-moon.

Dear Secretary-General,


Climate change science is in a period of ‘negative discovery’ - the more
we learn about this exceptionally complex and rapidly evolving field
the more we realize how little we know. Truly, the science is NOT
settled.




Therefore, there is no sound reason to impose expensive and restrictive
public policy decisions on the peoples of the Earth without first
providing convincing evidence that human activities are causing
dangerous climate change beyond that resulting from natural causes.
Before any precipitate action is taken, we must have solid observational
data demonstrating that recent changes in climate differ substantially
from changes observed in the past and are well in excess of normal
variations caused by solar cycles, ocean currents, changes in the
Earth's orbital parameters and other natural phenomena.




We the undersigned, being qualified in climate-related scientific
disciplines, challenge the UNFCCC and supporters of the United Nations
Climate Change Conference to produce convincing OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE
for their claims of dangerous human-caused global warming and other
changes in climate. Projections of possible future scenarios from
unproven computer models of climate are not acceptable substitutes for
real world data obtained through unbiased and rigorous scientific
investigation.




Specifically, we challenge supporters of the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused climate change to demonstrate that:




Variations in global climate in the last hundred years are
significantly outside the natural range experienced in previous
centuries;



Humanity’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other ‘greenhouse gases’ (GHG) are having a dangerous impact on global climate;

Computer-based models can meaningfully replicate the impact of all
of the natural factors that may significantly influence climate;

Sea levels are rising dangerously at a rate that has accelerated
with increasing human GHG emissions, thereby threatening small islands
and coastal communities;

The incidence of malaria is increasing due to recent climate changes;

Human society and natural ecosystems cannot adapt to foreseeable climate change as they have done in the past;

Worldwide glacier retreat, and sea ice melting in Polar Regions , is
unusual and related to increases in human GHG emissions;

Polar bears and other Arctic and Antarctic wildlife are unable to
adapt to anticipated local climate change effects, independent of the
causes of those changes;

Hurricanes, other tropical cyclones and associated extreme weather events are increasing in severity and frequency;

Data recorded by ground-based stations are a reliable indicator of surface temperature trends.


It is not the responsibility of ‘climate realist’ scientists to prove
that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening. Rather, it
is those who propose that it is, and promote the allocation of massive
investments to solve the supposed ‘problem’, who have the obligation to
convincingly demonstrate that recent climate change is not of mostly
natural origin and, if we do nothing, catastrophic change will ensue. To
date, this they have utterly failed to do so.




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Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of
Technology, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A.

Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden
University, retired member board Netherlands Organization Applied
Research TNO, Leiden, The Netherlands

Curt Rose, BA, MA (University of Western Ontario), MA, PhD (Clark
University), Professor Emeritus, Department of Environmental Studies and
Geography, Bishop's University, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada

Rob Scagel, MSc (forest microclimate specialist), Principal
Consultant - Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, British Columbia,
Canada

Clive Schaupmeyer, B.Sc., M.Sc., Professional Agrologist (awarded an
Alberta "Distinguished Agrologist"), 40 years of weather and climate
studies with respect to crops, Coaldale, Alberta, Canada

Bruce Schwoegler, BS (Meteorology and Naval Science, University of
Wisconsin-Madison), Chief Technology Officer, MySky Communications Inc,
meteorologist, science writer and principal/co-founder of MySky,
Lakeville, Massachusetts, U.S.A.

John Shade, BS (Physics), MS (Atmospheric Physics), MS (Applied
Statistics), Industrial Statistics Consultant, GDP, Dunfermline,
Scotland, United Kingdom

Gary Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, California, U.S.A.

Thomas P. Sheahen, PhD (Physics, Massachusetts Institute of
Technology), specialist in renewable energy, research and publication
(Applied Optics) in modeling and measurement of absorption of infrared
radiation by atmospheric CO2, Oakland, Maryland, U.S.A.

Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist and chemist, Cobourg, Ontario, Canada

L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor of Geography, specialising
in Resource Management, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario,
Canada.

Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist,
Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville,
Alabama, U.S.A.

Walter Starck, PhD (Biological Oceanography), marine biologist
(specialization in coral reefs and fisheries), author, photographer,
Townsville, Australia

Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research
Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, Royal Institute of
Technology (KTH), member of American Chemical Society and life member of
American Physical Society, Chair of "Global Warming - Scientific
Controversies in Climate Variability", International seminar meeting at
KTH, 2006, Stockholm, Sweden

Arlin Super, PhD (Meteorology), former Professor of Meteorology at
Montana State University, retired Research Meteorologist, U.S. Bureau of
Reclamation, Saint Cloud, Minnesota, U.S.A.

George H. Taylor, B.A. (Mathematics, U.C. Santa Barbara), M.S.
(Meteorology, University of Utah), Certified Consulting Meteorologist,
Applied Climate Services, LLC, Former State Climatologist (Oregon),
President, American Association of State Climatologists (1998-2000),
Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A.

Mitchell Taylor, PhD, Biologist (Polar Bear Specialist), Wildlife
Research Section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut, Canada

Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, Arnhem, The Netherlands

Frank Tipler, PhD, Professor of Mathematical Physics, astrophysics, Tulane University, New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.A.

Edward M. Tomlinson, MS (Meteorology), Ph.D. (Meteorology,
University of Utah), President, Applied Weather Associates, LLC (leader
in extreme rainfall storm analyses), 21 years US Air Force in
meteorology (Air Weather Service), Monument, Colorado, U.S.A.

Ralf D. Tscheuschner, Dr.rer.nat. (Theoretical physics: Quantum
Theory), Freelance Lecturer and Researcher in Physics and Applied
Informatics, Hamburg, Germany. Co-author of “Falsification of The
Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics,
Int.J.Mod.Phys. 2009

Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD (Utrecht University), geologist and
paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and
Investigations, Christchurch, New Zealand

A.J. (Tom) van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology),
Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the
European Association of Science Editors

Gösta Walin, PhD in Theoretical physics, Professor emeritus in
oceanography, Earth Science Center, Göteborg University, Göteborg,
Sweden

Neil Waterhouse, PhD (Physics, Thermal, Precise Temperature
Measurement), retired, National Research Council, Bell Northern
Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Anthony Watts, 25-year broadcast meteorology veteran and currently
chief meteorologist for KPAY-AM radio. In 1987, he founded ItWorks,
which supplies custom weather stations, Internet servers, weather
graphics content, and broadcast video equipment. In 2007, Watts founded
SurfaceStations.org, a Web site devoted to photographing and documenting
the quality of weather stations across the U.S., U.S.A.

Charles L. Wax, PhD (physical geography: climatology, LSU), State
Climatologist – Mississippi, past President of the American Association
of State Climatologists, Professor, Department of Geosciences,
Mississippi State University, U.S.A.

James Weeg, BS (Geology), MS (Environmental Science), Professional
Geologist/hydrologist, Advent Environmental Inc, Mt. Pleasant, South
Carolina, U.S.A.

Forese-Carlo Wezel, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Stratigraphy (global
and Mediterranean geology, mass biotic extinctions and
paleoclimatology), University of Urbino, Urbino, Italy

Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired),
Geological Survey of Finland, former adjunct professor in marine
geology, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, Finland

David E. Wojick, PhD, PE, energy and environmental consultant,
Technical Advisory Board member - Climate Science Coalition of America,
Star Tannery, Virginia, U.S.A.

Raphael Wust, PhD, Adj Sen. Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia

Stan Zlochen, BS (Atmospheric Science), MS (Atmospheric Science), USAF (retired), Omaha, Nebraska, U.S.A.

Dr. Bob Zybach, PhD (Oregon State University (OSU), Environmental
Sciences Program), MAIS (OSU, Forest Ecology, Cultural Anthropology,
Historical Archaeology), BS (OSU College of Forestry), President, NW
Maps Co., Program Manager, Oregon Websites and Watersheds Project, Inc.,
Cottage Grove, Oregon, U.S.A.

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You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

-Bemore.
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19-06-2012, 10:33 AM
RE: End goal of GW scientists?
(19-06-2012 08:37 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Like people know I live with three very fucked up retarded flatmates.
Climate change is just another thing they don't believe in, right after the moon landings and using their brain.

I believe their arguments were:
- There's no proof (I literally lol'd when they said this)
- Scientist only do it to get money. (So they do it to get money to research something that "doesn't exists" which means they spend 9-5 researching nothing...? So thousands of scientist have just all kept hush hush on the big "lets say its man made to get money" 'scam'? And those same scientists dick around all day, because everybody knows if you wanna make money go to university for 4 or so years doing really hard work intense topics in order to have a slight chance at a medium paying job rather then say.. do a commerce degree and get a high paying job for little effort. mmm ok.)
- The planet is always heating up and cooling down.
- The middle ages were hotter then todays temperatures
I think that's about it.

I admit I don't know much about global warming but when you see this data over and over:

[Image: CO2-Emissions-vs-Levels.gif]

Data that shows huge increase at the same time of the industrial revolution.
Coincidence?

I work off facts. Global warming has plenty of scientific facts. Skeptics have plenty of "scientists are doing it for money" conspiracies.
No argument really.


This is priceless - "Climate change is just another thing they don't believe in, right after the moon landings and using their brain."

I run into a lot of people who flatly state that there is no such thing as global warming, when I ask them to look at more that just one or two sources (usually unscientific oners) they tend to just blow it off.

" Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous."
David Hume
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19-06-2012, 10:34 AM
RE: End goal of GW scientists?
This thread is not about whether Global Warming is real or not, I just want the views of deniers on why they think scientists are faking the info. Some of the replies have confirmed what I initially thought: money for doing nothing. That doesn't make any since why thousands of scientists around the world would do such a thing, though. Sure, I'd love to get paid for doing nothing, but it would wear thin after a while. I mean what is the point of putting forth the effort to get a PhD in a given field only to not use it? It's like making a sandwich and then throwing it away when you are starving to death.
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