Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
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16-11-2014, 07:09 PM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
It's a misconstrued ideas to say, more brain connections ties to more complexity which ties to increased consciousness.

It's probably true on a physical basis... but what makes consciousness at all anything profound or connected to anything outside of itself.

A organism could have grand layers of complexity increasing in its nervous system and ranging ability, such as an Cephalopod, but it's not going to have consciousness as WE deem consciousness because we view it via our experience. It's still deeply complete and capable of being more complex.

Evolution isn't a pure gain system. Complexity may increase some productivity but it decreases other productivity. More complex multi-cellular organism are more complex than single cell organisms but there reproduction productivity is limited by it.

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16-11-2014, 09:19 PM (This post was last modified: 16-11-2014 10:05 PM by houseofcantor.)
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
Entropy - there's more ways to do things wrong than to do things right. Tongue

Here ya go - this'll keep you busy for a minute: entropic brain

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16-11-2014, 10:06 PM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
The question is :
"Why do you feel the need to explain a concept that has no definition or coherent meaning, at all ?"

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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16-11-2014, 11:38 PM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
In a similar vein - A New Physics Theory of Life - prolly a month's worth of reading could be extrapolated from the comments. Thumbsup

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16-11-2014, 11:42 PM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
What they said.

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18-11-2014, 10:10 PM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
"...possible rational explanation of God"

Sorry, but you lost me there.
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18-11-2014, 10:49 PM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
"Given universal equilibrium between order and disorder (entropy)"

Premise fail. There is no reason to believe there is an equilibrium here. It's not entirely clear in what way you mean to use the word 'equilibrium', but if you are using the word 'equilibrium' to mean 'in equal proportion', or if you mean 'the relative amounts of each are in steady state', in both these senses of the use of the word 'equilibrium', you are out right wrong. Even the quote you grabbed describes why your use of the word 'equilibrium' is not consistent with the second law. If somehow there is a locality with decreasing entropy, that has to come at the expense of even greater increases in entropy of that locality's surroundings.

As Hafnof correctly points out, entropy is not the same thing as order . That said, using the level of order as a proxy for entropy, entropy is always increasing due to the second law, so in no sense is there an equilibrium.
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20-11-2014, 04:37 PM
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I stopped reading when you said it was inspired by an acid trip...

Hallucinogenic drugs are great for inspiring cool music and art... Generally, their record on producing cosmological models is not that good.

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21-11-2014, 12:55 AM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
As others have said, you seem to be mis attributing entropy with disorder. Disorder is largely arbitrary, something can be very complex without having structure, something can have structure but not be very complex. It is temping to examine our planet and our biology as special or necessary, but there really isn't any objective reason to believe it is. If you study the physics of planet formation, and the chemistry of biology, you will find a lot of structure and order emerging not by design, but because of the physical properties of nature. That is, things tend to behave rather pragmatically and predictably according to basic laws, such as gravity, conservation of energy, thermodynamics, and a tendency for matter to settle from high energy states to low energy state (ect). Popular science cannot adequately explain everything we observe, but that which has been adequately explained does not seem to necessitate divine intervention, consciousness, or anything else sentimental or reverent. It certainly normal to be impressed and inspired by the observable universe; it certainly isn't a bad thing. It is another thing to equate you how feel, in a very qualitative way, about observations or science, with what you choose to believe about either. The highest standard of evidence is empirical. If you want to make an argument for god and impress atheist, you should use well researched and well demonstrated empirical arguments. That means "feels" don't matter.

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21-11-2014, 08:20 AM
RE: Entropy, complexity, infinity, and a possible rational explanation of God
(21-11-2014 12:55 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  As others have said, you seem to be mis attributing entropy with disorder.\

Even the pros do it.

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