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20-02-2014, 01:15 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(20-02-2014 01:05 PM)Drich Wrote:  . that a strawman created by you guys .
May i remind you that you are the one who created a strawman of epicuran paradox and pretend as if its "Defeated" in your own dreamland.

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Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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20-02-2014, 01:18 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(16-02-2014 07:13 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  
(14-02-2014 10:24 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  *definition, idiot.

Nice of ivaneus to mist the goalposts.

I mist the goal posts by that much! Wink

@Drich: so you used your god's definition of evil, which you got from.... the bible? Circular definition. Look it up.
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If we were having a discussion about Spiderman, then it is to the marvel cannon in which we must define our terms, and stories... Otherwise it is no longer a discussion about spiderman. Like wise If you want to talk about God then it is to the definations and terms God sets forth in the bible are the ones we are bound by otherwise we are not having a discussion about the God of the bible.

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20-02-2014, 01:20 PM
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(18-02-2014 11:30 AM)Timber1025 Wrote:  So Drich, you state the Bible is the exact uniform text to abide by, and then said "we can't do something God has forbidden" later in the last post. Do you really avoid doing what God has forbidden? There are laundry lists in both the OT and NT of forbidden things, acts, and thoughts that you shall not partake in - do you follow the rules or remain a hobbyist christian and ignore 90% of Gods word of what is forbidden?

do you know what attonement is and how it relates to sin?

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20-02-2014, 01:21 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(18-02-2014 11:44 AM)morondog Wrote:  Drich, your claimed "defeat" of the "paradox" of Epicurus (
As it relates to christainity

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20-02-2014, 01:24 PM
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(18-02-2014 03:34 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  
(18-02-2014 10:45 AM)Drich Wrote:  So why does your arguement fail? Because you are concerned with establishing How to define Christianity through specific acts, when biblical Christianity is infact established on the oppsite end. It is to the Why we do what we do is of paramount importance, not the what.

Drich, since my previous questions go unanswered, I would like to ask another if I may. If what you call "biblical christianity" is about the reasons behind what is stated in the book, do you agree with the "why" behind everything called an abomination, absurd and violent punishments, beating and owning humans as property, killing infants, discrimination and taking advantage of young virgin girls?
yes

Quote:What about teaching about hell to children?
Absolutly

Quote:How about why rape is perfectly OK in most circumstances?
Examples?

Quote: We know the "what" from the bible: rape, slavery, and killing all and any threats are acceptable, but do you agree with the "why" - Huh, do ya!?!
The why is because these acts in of themselves hold no intrinsic righteous value. what makes them right or wrong has to do with what God says about them.

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20-02-2014, 01:28 PM
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Quote:Drich, since my previous questions go unanswered, I would like to ask another if I may. If what you call "biblical christianity" is about the reasons behind what is stated in the book, do you agree with the "why" behind everything called an abomination, absurd and violent punishments, beating and owning humans as property, killing infants, discrimination and taking advantage of young virgin girls?
Yes.

I just vomited a little.
Quote:The why is because these acts in of themselves hold no intrinsic righteous value. what makes them right or wrong has to do with what God says about them.

Yes. They do. These acts are immoral regardless of what any authority figure says.
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20-02-2014, 01:32 PM
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(20-02-2014 01:24 PM)Drich Wrote:  
(18-02-2014 03:34 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  Drich, since my previous questions go unanswered, I would like to ask another if I may. If what you call "biblical christianity" is about the reasons behind what is stated in the book, do you agree with the "why" behind everything called an abomination, absurd and violent punishments, beating and owning humans as property, killing infants, discrimination and taking advantage of young virgin girls?
yes

Quote:What about teaching about hell to children?
Absolutly

Quote:How about why rape is perfectly OK in most circumstances?
Examples?

Quote: We know the "what" from the bible: rape, slavery, and killing all and any threats are acceptable, but do you agree with the "why" - Huh, do ya!?!
The why is because these acts in of themselves hold no intrinsic righteous value. what makes them right or wrong has to do with what God says about them.

Then what decided Gods moral basis?

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20-02-2014, 02:02 PM
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(18-02-2014 11:08 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  You're a presuppositional apologists that relies on the Holy Spirit, completely oblivious to your own ignorance because you think that voice in your head is your god and not your own ego. My critique still stands.
what makes you think there is a voice in my head? Direction from the Holy Spirit rarly if ever is internalized. Meaning it is direction that comes from without not with in.

Quote:Did you miss the part where I quoted the Bible at you and showed that your own interpretation was in complete contradiction with other verses in the Bible? Yep, you still are that stupid.
i saw where You did quote scripture but your exegesis was less than... accurate.

Quote:Did you miss the part where I quoted the Bible at you and showed that your own interpretation was in complete contradiction with other verses in the Bible? Yep, you still are that stupid.
i saw where You did quote scripture but your exegesis was less than... accurate.

Quote:"There is one exact uniform text."

If you are that ignorant of the entirety of modern Biblical scholarship and study, its no wonder you're dumb as a fucking rock. You couldn't be farther from the truth. To quote Bart Ehrman (a real Biblical scholar) "There are more variants between the manuscripts than there are words in the Bible". Once again, you are selectively taking some parts of the Bible at face value, ignoring other parts, and trusting it is all somehow authentic. Your methods are fundamentally flawed, end of story. You cannot base anything on what Jesus supposedly said, because nobody actually knows what Jesus said (if he even existed); we just live in a world where delusional fucks like yourself think you know what he said.
By exact uniform text what makes you think i was speaking of the orgins of biblical scholarship as you understand it?

Quote:So that includes Heaven too, right?
No, because we are directly told we will live with God for eternity.

Quote:What about all of the 'everlasting life' bits?
The everlasting 'bits' point to the eternal nature of Hell itself not our ablity to endure it.

Quote:See, contradictions everywhere!
Facepalm ah, no.


Quote:Yeah, and in the Old Testament there is absolutely no mention of anything resembling the Christian Hell; which is clearly just a synthesis and extrapolation of the Greek concept of Hades. The god of the Old Testament was an asshole, but at least when you had died and the ground covered you over, he was in effect done with you.
the following was taken on another discussing i am having but it applies to you as well.
Have you ever been to California?

How would you describe it? As a desert, a place were dense Forrests reside a state that boarders the sea? Mountainous? Warm year round? Cold year round? Over populated, Barron, massive cities? Endless country side? Consertive, liberal?

What about all of the above? How can one reconcile all of these conflicting descriptions of one state and yet all of them still be true? In a word perspective. In the description above each description describes a different aspect of that state, like wise Each one of your hell words describes a different aspect of Hell. Very few if any one person can fully understand the depths of Hell, so the various writers were all given a piece.

(18-02-2014 10:45 AM)Drich Wrote:  "If you wish to be Complete." Sell everything and Follow Christ.

This was not the qualifier for Heaven. it was the Qualifier to 'be complete.' Or rather as Christ put it "to have great reward in heaven." Meaning it is possable[sic] to goto[sic] Heaven and be the equalivant[sic] of a homeless person for all eternity. Or you can go and live like a King. Christ Gave the requirement to live like a homeless person first. (follow the Law.) the Second thing Christ offered was to live like a King. The rich young man knew he could not meet the requirements to live like a King.

Quote:Wow, and you can't even quote your scripture this time? Come on, aren't you a 'Biblical scholar' and not just an empty shill of a internet Jesus troll? You must be trying really hard to make shit up on the fly. Come on now, I quoted your own fucking book right back at you, and the best you can do is pull something out of your ass to say it doesn't count? Yeah, color me not impressed.
allow me to break it down for you:
The young man ask:
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

Jesus responds: "if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

The boy: Which ones?

Jesus: “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’[d] and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

According to Christ at that time, that was the requirements for the young man.

Then the boy felt like their should be more so he asks: “All these things I have kept from my youth.[f] What do I still lack?”

Jesus Answers:21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

If you want to be perfect.. Did you see it? how is it possiable for one to be perfect if Christ in 17 just said no one is even 'good' except God? the young man wanted to earn his way to heaven which is not possible. because we need be perfect. Only God is perfect. It is this perfection that we are baptized into when we accept Christ's attonement.

But again entering Heaven is not the same as living well there.


Quote:All you did is show that the Bible fundamentally disagrees with itself, and that you really suck and making up excusing to ignore the fact that they do. Also you missed another chance to quote scripture with specific citation, now you wouldn't just be making shit up again about what the Bible says, would you? How is Jesus supposed to know you're studying his book if you can't be more specific? Laughat
quoting scripture to you guys is like throwing water at the wicked witch of the west. If one does so without first getting permission I will make an enemy for life.

If you want scripture I love to quote it. just let me know when you had enough.


Quote:Nope.
Ya-huh

Quote: The verses I quoted disagreed with what you initially said,
nut-huh, other show me.

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20-02-2014, 02:05 PM
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(19-02-2014 12:03 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(19-02-2014 11:48 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Heh. He's threadshitting in his own thread.

I've seen AF.org, and I'm not about to let his stupidity spread unanswered any more than it already has.

oh, so your afraid that i will change things here as i have changed them there? yet you still won't go one on one?

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20-02-2014, 02:06 PM
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(20-02-2014 12:38 PM)natachan Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 12:32 PM)Drich Wrote:  So because something is difficult we should not try?

There go the goalposts again...

God is omnipotent. Why doesn't he solve the problem? We AREN'T omnipotent. Many people are trying to solve the problem but find it impossible. God is omnipotent and does nothing. People aren't and are trying very hard to help.
Because omnipotence does not obligate one to solve problem in the way YOU think they should be solved.

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