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22-02-2014, 10:19 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(20-02-2014 10:54 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  You mean YOUR own christianity right?
The bible

Quote:Given you have said that your god is not omni-max,
Again according to the bible God does not claim to be omni max. So If it worship the God OF THE BIBLE then how can I ascribe Omnimax powers to Him when He does not do so for Himself? If I do then it is not the God of the bible I worship anymore is it? It is a God of my own creation and as Epicurus points out such a deity can not exist. But, As the God of the bible Describes Himself, thier isn't any contradiction as to why a deity such as this one can't exist.

Quote:Wait... is THAT what you meant? That epicurus's paradox is not applicable to THE BIBLE'S version of christianity?
there i fixed it for you and the answer to your question is yes.

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22-02-2014, 10:20 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(20-02-2014 11:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 01:24 PM)Drich Wrote:  yes

Absolutly

Examples?

The why is because these acts in of themselves hold no intrinsic righteous value. what makes them right or wrong has to do with what God says about them.

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22-02-2014, 11:44 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(20-02-2014 11:23 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Dowsing rods are bullshit too. Also, have your read Alla's posts? She gets visions and her Holy Spirit talks to her and tells her that Joseph Smith and his teachings are authentic.
I have absolutly no doubt she gets direction from someone/thing that says everything she reported.

Quote: How about you go figure out why you two don't seem to agree before you try to convince anyone else of your spirit's 'authority' over anything.
Done. If One wished to worship The God of the Bible then it is to the Bible one must remain faithful. Smith showed himself to be a false prophet the first time he made a false prophesy. therefore any 'spiritual' endorsement of smith is not from the God of the bible.

which again does not mean that her 'god/spirit' was not real. The God of the bible infact tells us to watch out for this very thing.


(20-02-2014 02:02 PM)Drich Wrote:  i[sic] saw where You[sic] did quote scripture but your exegesis was less than... accurate.

Quote:Contradictions are still contradictions, and simply dismissing and ignoring them doesn't magically make them go away fucktard.
that's just it sport. If your exegesis was wrong then your conclusion is also wrong.


Quote:[Could you be any more purposely obtuse? I doubt it. The point being that there are more discrepancies between the manuscripts than there are letters in the Bible, so it simply is not possible to to make a definitive accounting of anything that was said. How many Bible translations exist? How many church denominations exist? This might be a surprise to you, but there are actually people who go to school and study this stuff, and they do so without pulling bullshit out of their ass to make excuses for the parts of the book they don't like.
You still do not understand and I'm the one being accused of being obtuse...

Maybe ask some question before you assume your stock arguement will cover what is being discussed. I will not help you here. If you want to know what is being discussed then ask a question. Otherwise know that your arguement is invalid because you have not shown one single shread of evedience that supports your charge. nor have even demonstrated that Christianity is based on having a single source for the bible.

Quote:Can you please quote the bit in the Bible where it says 'Oh, you know that whole Hell and Damnation thing we staked onto Judaism? Well, it sucks and lasts forever, but if you get sent there you will eventually cease to exist. Bonus, right?'
I'll be happy to. First we must establish that Hell is forever.
42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where ‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.’
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where ‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched

And also lest not forget our destruction in Hell which is found in Mat 10:27 “Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops. 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Clear enough? In both instances you have Christ's own teachings.

Again my own experience also unscores this. In that as i decended I felt the loss of control over my own mind. Not that this compares anyway to what Christ said, but it was experienced by me before I knew that Hell meant destruction. At the time I like you thought hell was forever.

Quote:Your justification for this is bullshit pulled out of your ass in an attempt to reconcile the fact that there is a clear demarcation line where the 'eternal torture' bit simply appears.
Eternal torture is apart of Hell, but accoding to scripture that part is reserved for Satan and his angels.

Quote: You know there is a much simpler explanation that requires far less assumptions and mental gymnastics than that pile of self aggrandizing apologetic tripe you just vomited up?
That is the problem with people like you. Your sunday schoold teacher told you that you would burn in hell for ever, and forever you think that is true without doubt or question. What blatent hyprocrisy! You people tell me i should question all aspects of my faith and at the same time make absolutly no effort to try and understand God or Christianity beyond what you knew when you were in 4th grade.

Do your own research. If you do you will find NOT 1 Passage says the Human soul will burn forever in Hell.

Only that Hell is Forever and was made that way for Satan and His angels. Everytime Jesus Himself speaks about us and hell He says we will be consumed or kill or destroyed by it.

This isn't gymnastics. It's the plain simply truth from the bible and the words of Christ. The only leap here is to IGNORE the Words of Christ and assume we will burn forever along with Satan.

..You do know Satan is not the 'god' of Hell right? That he will be in tremoundous torment as well? That this world is the cloest thing he has to a hell/kingdom?

And again, I'm the obstinate one for not looking at a 4th graders view of Heaven and Hell/God and Satan. Despite what some of you have claimed I have read my bible and gone to the greek and hebrew in many cases. 3/4 of the time pop christian understandings and doctrines concerning these things are wrong...

Guess where most atheist get their understanding of God/The bible? If you said from the bible you'd be wrong. They are more guilt of relying on pop christianity that christians who do so are!!

You are the greatest offender here. Why? because you have tightly closed you mind about your christian beliefs even in the face of Book Chapter and Verse that says otherwise.

Quote:1. Only god is perfect? Define your use of 'perfect', then cite evidence that this applies to your god and your god only. Also, please cite evidence he exists. Good luck with that.

2. Scapegoating is immoral, and cosmic scapegoating in the name of Jesus doesn't change that.

3. So Jesus sold this young man a load of worthless bullshit and lied to him about getting into Heaven. How nice of your sinless... wait... isn't lying a sin? Might want to check that and pull a different bullshit spin job out of your ass next time.
Your looking to argue personal philosphy here. That is not what I do here. I don't care what you think about God. I am to provide accurate information that will help you make a fact based determination. None of what you posted here has anything to do with that. You simply make statements about your beliefs. If you want to have a discussion here then please rephrase otherwise, respectfully.. I am not interested in discussing your 'feelings.'

If you want evidence of God simple A/S/K for it as outlined in Luke 11. No finite Man can summon an infinite God on Demand. However that very same infinate God has left a trail of bread crumbs that will lead back to Him if one is humble enough to follow. all any of God's repersentivities can do is point back to said crumbs.


Quote:You are trying to delineate who is and who is not a 'Child of God', so that they can get saved and everyone else gets fucked (which getting back to your OP, makes your god malevolent and the Epicurean Paradox simply no longer applies).
Just a suggestion, maybe look up that word before you use it then fashion your arguement to fit that defination.. Your current use is not consisant with the defination of Malevolent. Nor is it consistant with how epicurus used the word. Eippy use his paradox to speak of all of humanity. why? because his gods promised man/humanity 'X' if they would 'y', and yet they did y but did not receive 'X', instead received what he considered to be evil. Therefore his god/gods by defination where malevolent. God offers 123, if we XYZ. Those who do XYZ receive 123. Therefore God is not Malevolent by defination. Malevolence has nothing to do with those who do not do what is asked of them. they are simply living out the natural progression and consenquences of their life.

So again paradox broken.

Quote: You quoted some passages, made some other shit up based on your own skewed (and I'm sure you'd say 'inspired') interpretation, to which I quoted other passage that contradicted the prerequisites you were claiming. You quoted John 3:16 to which I quoted Matthew 19:16-21 and James 2:24.

One has to wonder though, if this shit really is all that important, why does your god need your dumb-ass to interpret it in a poor attempt to fix the apparent problems with it? One would think he could have written something better than this pile of unfounded bullshit. Weeping
You asked for those quotes, i guess I now know why. It was to make this weak tired point people like you like to make when they want to try and convolude scripture. Do you know how you can break this arguement of yours? content. All anyone need do is examine the claim and see if scripture supports it.

It's no different than if you were to say Romeo used a musket to kill himself when He thought Jueliet was dead, then you quote Romeo's lines just before he dies, but leave out his method of death... If we were having an arguement on this what would I do to prove you were wrong? I would read the passage in context.. When you were proven wrong would your response be like it was in the above quote? Would you pretend that no one can discern what shakespere really intended when he wrote the play?

That my friend is an appeal to ignorance, and fails as a line of viable logic.



Quote:TL;DR Version.

Drich's problem is his constant string of unwarranted assumptions that he makes to fix everything he doesn't like in the Bible and to justify his wild making up of shit; and he uses his 'Holy Spirit' to tell him that his interpretations and assumptions are correct. Epic failure ensues.
[/quote]If you believe this you are willfully and intentionally tring to stay in a prepetual state of ignorance so as to feel comfortable with what you believe and with your arguements, that are based on a willful ignorance.

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22-02-2014, 07:03 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
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22-02-2014, 07:28 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(22-02-2014 10:13 AM)Drich Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 11:06 PM)toadaly Wrote:  I don't doubt it much. I haven't decided yet whether you're a dedicated troll - maybe this is material for a psych paper or something, or a real life sociopath. I'm leaning toward the latter.

Let's say you had absolute proof God exists Not just you but the whole nation you lived in. absolute unagruable proof. Now God tells you Satan is empowering a neighboring country to wipe you and your people off the planet. But, if you follow His lead He will assure you victory over them.

What would you do? Would you sit on your thumb or would you defend your home, your family your people?

I'd say he's a fucking idiot what with all this satan rubbish.
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22-02-2014, 07:44 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(22-02-2014 10:13 AM)Drich Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 11:06 PM)toadaly Wrote:  I don't doubt it much. I haven't decided yet whether you're a dedicated troll - maybe this is material for a psych paper or something, or a real life sociopath. I'm leaning toward the latter.

Let's say you had absolute proof God exists


Okay....No.


Quote:Not just you but the whole nation you lived in. absolute unagruable proof. Now God tells you Satan is empowering a neighboring country to wipe you and your people off the planet. But, if you follow His lead He will assure you victory over them.

What would you do? Would you sit on your thumb or would you defend your home, your family your people?


I'd tell the son of a bitch to fuck off and wipe out that nation and that imaginary figure himself, since it's supposedly perfectly with "his" power to do so. You are a fucking idiot.

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22-02-2014, 08:08 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(22-02-2014 10:19 AM)Drich Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 10:54 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  You mean YOUR own christianity right?
The bible

Quote:Given you have said that your god is not omni-max,
Again according to the bible God does not claim to be omni max. So If it worship the God OF THE BIBLE then how can I ascribe Omnimax powers to Him when He does not do so for Himself? If I do then it is not the God of the bible I worship anymore is it? It is a God of my own creation and as Epicurus points out such a deity can not exist. But, As the God of the bible Describes Himself, thier isn't any contradiction as to why a deity such as this one can't exist.

Quote:Wait... is THAT what you meant? That epicurus's paradox is not applicable to THE BIBLE'S version of christianity?
there i fixed it for you and the answer to your question is yes.

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In case y'all hadn't figured it out yet.

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22-02-2014, 08:17 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
Facepalm I made it half way through the OP before I recalled an old thread in which Vosur and I addressed this same exact fucking topic. Jesus Hussein Fucking Christ, this argument is so stupendously simple that it makes me laugh. Drich. You are wrong.


See!? See how simple it is!? I am done! Que the victory music. Drinking Beverage

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22-02-2014, 08:22 PM
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(22-02-2014 08:17 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Facepalm I made it half way through the OP before I recalled an old thread in which Vosur and I addressed this same exact fucking topic. Jesus Hussein Fucking Christ, this argument is so stupendously simple that it makes me laugh. Drich. You are wrong.


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Have you been to the politics section to meet Frank yet? Frank makes Drich look like a fucking rhode scholar.

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22-02-2014, 08:24 PM
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(22-02-2014 08:22 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Have you been to the politics section to meet Frank yet? Frank makes Drich look like a fucking rhode scholar.

Not sure I want to see that atrocity committed. O_O

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