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23-02-2014, 09:12 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(22-02-2014 10:19 AM)Drich Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 10:54 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  You mean YOUR own christianity right?
The bible

Quote:Given you have said that your god is not omni-max,
Again according to the bible God does not claim to be omni max. So If it worship the God OF THE BIBLE then how can I ascribe Omnimax powers to Him when He does not do so for Himself? If I do then it is not the God of the bible I worship anymore is it? It is a God of my own creation and as Epicurus points out such a deity can not exist. But, As the God of the bible Describes Himself, thier isn't any contradiction as to why a deity such as this one can't exist.

Quote:Wait... is THAT what you meant? That epicurus's paradox is not applicable to THE BIBLE'S version of christianity?
there i fixed it for you and the answer to your question is yes.

Like I said earlier:

"Drich keeps claiming that god never claimed that he had the attributes mentioned in the paradox. Apparently this is because said attributes are claimed for him by the writers of the babble."

What he can't seem to get into his thick fucking skull is that everything in the babble is written by the writers of said babble. This includes putting all the words supposedly spoken by his god into his/her/its mouth. So Drich only believes what the writers put into his gods mouth, and nothing else that the same writers say about him/her/it is true (apart from some cherry picking of course).

What a fucking idiot.
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23-02-2014, 12:05 PM
Epicurean paradox defeated.
1. Re: Omnimax: Is shorthand for omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and/or omnibenevolent being.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnimax

The Christian god is considered to have all of these characteristics plus Eternalness: This is the Christian 5-part nature of God, represented historically as a star. While this may be an esoteric idea contemporarily, it's the reason Pentagrams are seen as "Satanic": They represent cutting off the 5 powers of God.

What Drich is doing is reducing God's power to avoid the Traditional Problem of Good and Evil by cutting off an arm: Which is actually conceding that it is a problem for Christianity.

Then conclusion drawn historically is that God cannot be as defined, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent, as it is logically impossible for such a being to exist AND for evil to exist. A lot of semantic gymnastics have been performed around this, including arguments from free will, but the problem stands.

2. Omnibenevolence does not apply to an entity which is only "good" to "His children".

Again, semantic gymnastics, where "God's Children" is now metaphorically interpreted to be "Only True Believers."

If a man has two children, and loves one, and locks the other in the basement chained to a furnace, would we call that man a benevolent father?

According to Drich, we would: The other child deserved to be chained to a furnace, as they were not truly the "Man's Child".

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23-02-2014, 07:05 PM (This post was last modified: 23-02-2014 07:10 PM by Chas.)
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(22-02-2014 08:17 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Facepalm I made it half way through the OP before I recalled an old thread in which Vosur and I addressed this same exact fucking topic. Jesus Hussein Fucking Christ, this argument is so stupendously simple that it makes me laugh. Drich. You are wrong.


See!? See how simple it is!? I am done! Que the victory music. Drinking Beverage

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23-02-2014, 07:06 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(22-02-2014 08:22 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(22-02-2014 08:17 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Facepalm I made it half way through the OP before I recalled an old thread in which Vosur and I addressed this same exact fucking topic. Jesus Hussein Fucking Christ, this argument is so stupendously simple that it makes me laugh. Drich. You are wrong.


See!? See how simple it is!? I am done! Que the victory music. Drinking Beverage

Have you been to the politics section to meet Frank yet? Frank makes Drich look like a fucking rhode scholar.

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23-02-2014, 07:33 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(23-02-2014 07:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-02-2014 08:17 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Facepalm I made it half way through the OP before I recalled an old thread in which Vosur and I addressed this same exact fucking topic. Jesus Hussein Fucking Christ, this argument is so stupendously simple that it makes me laugh. Drich. You are wrong.


See!? See how simple it is!? I am done! Que the victory music. Drinking Beverage

Queue

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If he meant "play" the victory music then it's cue. If he meant "prepare" the victory music then it's queue, like to put the music in a line or order. It seems like he meant "play" so I think grammatically it would be cue.

Am I wrong?

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23-02-2014, 07:46 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(23-02-2014 07:33 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(23-02-2014 07:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  Queue

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If he meant "play" the victory music then it's cue. If he meant "prepare" the victory music then it's queue, like to put the music in a line or order. It seems like he meant "play" so I think grammatically it would be cue.

Am I wrong?

Indeed, it's "cue".

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23-02-2014, 08:40 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(23-02-2014 07:33 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(23-02-2014 07:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  Queue

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If he meant "play" the victory music then it's cue. If he meant "prepare" the victory music then it's queue, like to put the music in a line or order. It seems like he meant "play" so I think grammatically it would be cue.

Am I wrong?

No you're not wrong.


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23-02-2014, 08:46 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
If you were setting more than one song in order, that would be putting them in a "queue". But to "put on" a song is to "cue" it.

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23-02-2014, 08:49 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
It took 32 pages before anything of note or worth came into this thread.

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23-02-2014, 09:10 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(23-02-2014 08:49 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  It took 32 pages before anything of note or worth came into this thread.

Cue or queue is of utmost import. Smile


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