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23-02-2014, 09:20 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
Always happy to set things right. Thumbsup

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23-02-2014, 09:22 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
I thought QQ meant crying... *shrugs*

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23-02-2014, 09:33 PM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(23-02-2014 09:22 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  I thought QQ meant crying... *shrugs*

Cue the next 'Q' in the queue?

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24-02-2014, 12:04 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(23-02-2014 12:05 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  1. Re: Omnimax: Is shorthand for omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and/or omnibenevolent being.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnimax

The Christian god is considered to have all of these characteristics plus Eternalness: This is the Christian 5-part nature of God, represented historically as a star. While this may be an esoteric idea contemporarily, it's the reason Pentagrams are seen as "Satanic": They represent cutting off the 5 powers of God.

What Drich is doing is reducing God's power to avoid the Traditional Problem of Good and Evil by cutting off an arm: Which is actually conceding that it is a problem for Christianity.

Then conclusion drawn historically is that God cannot be as defined, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent, as it is logically impossible for such a being to exist AND for evil to exist. A lot of semantic gymnastics have been performed around this, including arguments from free will, but the problem stands.

2. Omnibenevolence does not apply to an entity which is only "good" to "His children".

Again, semantic gymnastics, where "God's Children" is now metaphorically interpreted to be "Only True Believers."

If a man has two children, and loves one, and locks the other in the basement chained to a furnace, would we call that man a benevolent father?

According to Drich, we would: The other child deserved to be chained to a furnace, as they were not truly the "Man's Child".
What drich has done is successfully pointed out that the God of the bible has never claimed to be an Omni max God. That omni max is a doctrine of man, is never mentioned in the bible. Aspects of it yes. Can the bible be cut and pasted to support this doctrine again yes, but does God describe Homself as Omnimax? No. Does He decribe Himself as even being Omnibenevolent? Again no.

So what the problem is?

Unless you can provide book chapter and verse that supports your version of God then know in your heart of hearts your version of God is not the God of the bible and as such does not exist. Per your best efforts to prove otherwise and Epicurus' paradox.

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24-02-2014, 01:22 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
Hey Richie, if your God isn't omnibenevolent, what is your reason for worshiping him ? 'Cos he's nice to *you* ? What is your reason for preaching at us ?

If your violent and horrible God exists, then I see no reason to worship such a disgusting creature.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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24-02-2014, 01:29 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(24-02-2014 01:22 AM)morondog Wrote:  Hey Richie, if your God isn't omnibenevolent, what is your reason for worshiping him ? 'Cos he's nice to *you* ? What is your reason for preaching at us ?

If your violent and horrible God exists, then I see no reason to worship such a disgusting creature.

Humans are the disgusting creatures.

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24-02-2014, 02:06 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(24-02-2014 01:29 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Humans are the disgusting creatures.

Rolleyes I'm not gonna hate myself 'cos you hate yourself. Go for a walk in the sunshine or something, gloomy bugger.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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24-02-2014, 02:09 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(24-02-2014 01:29 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Humans are the disgusting creatures.
FYI humans are the only beings who are capable of overriding their natural programming Via self-awareness.

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Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
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Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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24-02-2014, 02:10 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(24-02-2014 01:29 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(24-02-2014 01:22 AM)morondog Wrote:  Hey Richie, if your God isn't omnibenevolent, what is your reason for worshiping him ? 'Cos he's nice to *you* ? What is your reason for preaching at us ?

If your violent and horrible God exists, then I see no reason to worship such a disgusting creature.

Humans are the disgusting creatures.

See now, this is the kind of thing which makes me dislike religion.
This ridiculous 'we're not worthy' crap.
I've been vaguely following this conversation and it strikes me that the one thing Drich seems to be unable to accept is that atheists do not accept that any kind of god exists.
I for one, do not care if he thinks his god is omni-max or not as I see no evidence or reason for any kind of god to exist.
It is so obviously a human construct that it just defies belief.
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24-02-2014, 02:12 AM
RE: Epicurean paradox defeated.
(24-02-2014 02:06 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(24-02-2014 01:29 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Humans are the disgusting creatures.

Rolleyes I'm not gonna hate myself 'cos you hate yourself. Go for a walk in the sunshine or something, gloomy bugger.

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