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27-12-2014, 02:02 PM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2014 02:06 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 12:54 PM)Gordon Wrote:  Oh, and I see you're absolute vile nature expressed in your atheism. You're a dead spirit good only for throwing into the fire of hell, a total failure to develop as God intended you to be. You might as well be a tree or a stalk of corn, at least you'd be serving out the purpose of your Creator. Give Karl Barth my regards. He's obviously had a great impact on you.

You claim to know Jesus yet you continually debase the sacrifice made to save all mankind by arrogantly presuming that what you do or do not believe makes a bit of difference to that salvation. You truly are Ego®cissistic. I doubt you've ever even heard of universal reconciliation. What am I saying, of course you haven't.

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27-12-2014, 03:26 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 02:02 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You claim to know Jesus yet you continually debase the sacrifice made to save all mankind by arrogantly presuming that what you do or do not believe makes a bit of difference to that salvation. You truly are Ego®cissistic. I doubt you've ever even heard of universal reconciliation. What am I saying, of course you haven't.

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27-12-2014, 03:28 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 03:26 PM)Gordon Wrote:  
(27-12-2014 02:02 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You claim to know Jesus yet you continually debase the sacrifice made to save all mankind by arrogantly presuming that what you do or do not believe makes a bit of difference to that salvation. You truly are Ego®cissistic. I doubt you've ever even heard of universal reconciliation. What am I saying, of course you haven't.

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27-12-2014, 03:44 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
Why would I have ever known about that doctrine? Universal reconciliation is not a teaching of Jesus Christ, in fact quite the opposite. It doesn't even make sense. How can you believe in a mechanism of salvation that is contradicted by the very being providing the salvation?
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27-12-2014, 04:34 PM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2014 04:42 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 03:44 PM)Gordon Wrote:  Why would I have ever known about that doctrine? Universal reconciliation is not a teaching of Jesus Christ, in fact quite the opposite. It doesn't even make sense. How can you believe in a mechanism of salvation that is contradicted by the very being providing the salvation?

I don't expect you to comprehend this but others like KC especially may be interested.

"Barth's doctrine of election involves a firm rejection of the notion of an eternal, hidden decree. In keeping with his Christo-centric methodology, Barth argues that to ascribe the salvation or damnation of humanity to an abstract absolute decree is to make some part of God more final and definitive than God's saving act in Jesus Christ. God's absolute decree, if one may speak of such a thing, is God's gracious decision to be for humanity in the person of Jesus Christ. Drawing from the earlier Reformed tradition, Barth retains the notion of double predestination but makes Jesus himself the object of both divine election and reprobation simultaneously; Jesus embodies both God's election of humanity and God's rejection of human sin."

We are all elect. No action or belief required and not a damn thing we can do about it.

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27-12-2014, 05:17 PM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2014 05:57 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 03:44 PM)Gordon Wrote:  Why would I have ever known about that doctrine? Universal reconciliation is not a teaching of Jesus Christ, in fact quite the opposite. It doesn't even make sense. How can you believe in a mechanism of salvation that is contradicted by the very being providing the salvation?

As I said, you are not even conversant with the arguments and discussions, yet are somehow absolutely convinced you know what you're doing.
You think somehow taking a couple classes makes you competent to re-write what scholars spend lifetimes studying. You're the proverbial clueless bull in a china shop


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%...ger_effect

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27-12-2014, 06:41 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 05:17 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(27-12-2014 03:44 PM)Gordon Wrote:  Why would I have ever known about that doctrine? Universal reconciliation is not a teaching of Jesus Christ, in fact quite the opposite. It doesn't even make sense. How can you believe in a mechanism of salvation that is contradicted by the very being providing the salvation?

As I said, you are not even conversant with the arguments and discussions, yet are somehow absolutely convinced you know what you're doing.
You think somehow taking a couple classes makes you competent to re-write what scholars spend lifetimes studying. You're the proverbial clueless bull in a china shop


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%...ger_effect

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27-12-2014, 07:12 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 10:03 AM)Gordon Wrote:  When you combine the weights of the teleological argument for the existence of God (that is the apparent design in the universe), along with the cosmological argument (that is the necessity for all physical things to have an initial cause), you can't escape the belief that God exists--without being irrational that is. If you throw in the ontological argument (that is that God, with a capital G, must logically exist), you just can't be an atheist.

However, none of these arguments gets you close to God--which is all that matters to us. Who cares if God exists if He takes no notice of us? It also doesn't tell us that we will live after we die--but if we don't, then once again, who cares about God?

The fact is without a personal revelation of God, the question of God is moot. There has to be a way to God.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me."

He's right. If God exists, then God is the God of quarks and galaxies all at the same time. Our mind can be nothing like God's mind. We cannot contain him in our thoughts. We have to simplify Him. We must have a revelation. Was Jesus that revelation, that way? You need to answer that question for yourselves.

And don't look at Christianity. The Church has almost nothing to do with Jesus at all. You have to go to the Gospels yourself. You have to read them as if you had just found them on a beach and had no idea of where they came from. And when you read them, read them like this:
  • Jesus represents what you are trying to become.
  • The disciples represent various aspects of your personality and your thinking processes.
  • Read as if the Gospels were sent to you alone by God and are actually for you and about you.
  • Look for the riddles and figure them out: They're the parts that don't seem to make any sense. They're there for you to figure out and grow into Christ as a result.

Do not read any other part of the Bible. Don't look at any of it. You don't need to. The Gospels, when they were written, were stand alone documents. When they were written, there was no Bible and no "Church." Everyone was still trying to figure out what Jesus was all about.

Some churches were sex cults. Some mixed paganism with the teachings of Jesus, some were still doing sacrifices, some were Gnostic and secretive, each of the "Apostles" seemed to be teaching different things. There were false prophets of Jesus running all over the place. Some sects were even wealthy, or Jewish.

Jesus came on to the scene. He lived, taught, was crucified, and no one ever found his body after that. Not then, not now. He was so amazing to people then, that even today, people are trying to figure out what his existence meant?

Because for some people, when they read the Gospel record, they get a sense that Jesus is still alive. It's like he's all around. Resurrected.

[Image: Bonnell--The%20Road%20to%20Emmaus.jpg]
The Road to Emmaus by Bonnell

Go and do likewise. Read the Gospels. Make your own religion just for you. Figure out what the life of Jesus means. They say there are some 34,000 denominations of Christianity. But I'm telling you there should be a billion sects searching to know what Jesus Christ meant--because he's the way to God.

Read the gospels? Why the hell would I want to do that? They weren't written by eyewitnesses and when the writers finally did get around to writing them it was decades after the supposed event happened. The only thing the Jesus story means is that people like to embellish stories.

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Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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27-12-2014, 08:42 PM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2014 09:12 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 07:12 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(27-12-2014 10:03 AM)Gordon Wrote:  When you combine the weights of the teleological argument for the existence of God (that is the apparent design in the universe), along with the cosmological argument (that is the necessity for all physical things to have an initial cause), you can't escape the belief that God exists--without being irrational that is. If you throw in the ontological argument (that is that God, with a capital G, must logically exist), you just can't be an atheist.

However, none of these arguments gets you close to God--which is all that matters to us. Who cares if God exists if He takes no notice of us? It also doesn't tell us that we will live after we die--but if we don't, then once again, who cares about God?

The fact is without a personal revelation of God, the question of God is moot. There has to be a way to God.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me."

He's right. If God exists, then God is the God of quarks and galaxies all at the same time. Our mind can be nothing like God's mind. We cannot contain him in our thoughts. We have to simplify Him. We must have a revelation. Was Jesus that revelation, that way? You need to answer that question for yourselves.

And don't look at Christianity. The Church has almost nothing to do with Jesus at all. You have to go to the Gospels yourself. You have to read them as if you had just found them on a beach and had no idea of where they came from. And when you read them, read them like this:
  • Jesus represents what you are trying to become.
  • The disciples represent various aspects of your personality and your thinking processes.
  • Read as if the Gospels were sent to you alone by God and are actually for you and about you.
  • Look for the riddles and figure them out: They're the parts that don't seem to make any sense. They're there for you to figure out and grow into Christ as a result.

Do not read any other part of the Bible. Don't look at any of it. You don't need to. The Gospels, when they were written, were stand alone documents. When they were written, there was no Bible and no "Church." Everyone was still trying to figure out what Jesus was all about.

Some churches were sex cults. Some mixed paganism with the teachings of Jesus, some were still doing sacrifices, some were Gnostic and secretive, each of the "Apostles" seemed to be teaching different things. There were false prophets of Jesus running all over the place. Some sects were even wealthy, or Jewish.

Jesus came on to the scene. He lived, taught, was crucified, and no one ever found his body after that. Not then, not now. He was so amazing to people then, that even today, people are trying to figure out what his existence meant?

Because for some people, when they read the Gospel record, they get a sense that Jesus is still alive. It's like he's all around. Resurrected.

[Image: Bonnell--The%20Road%20to%20Emmaus.jpg]
The Road to Emmaus by Bonnell

Go and do likewise. Read the Gospels. Make your own religion just for you. Figure out what the life of Jesus means. They say there are some 34,000 denominations of Christianity. But I'm telling you there should be a billion sects searching to know what Jesus Christ meant--because he's the way to God.

Read the gospels? Why the hell would I want to do that? They weren't written by eyewitnesses and when the writers finally did get around to writing them it was decades after the supposed event happened. The only thing the Jesus story means is that people like to embellish stories.

Why would anyone engaged in the monumentally idiotic task of "combining" them tell someone to read the 4 originals ? If the original gospels were good enough for the ancients, AND you're being told to read them, yet by implication they're not good enough, it truly boggles the mind what this idiot thinks he's up to.

Science has demonstrated that ANY 'remembered" event is reinterpreted by human brains. The MOST the gospels are, are commentaries on what and how the (supposed) events were seen to have impacted those who were (already) believers. And that's assuming good faith in the authors/editors, (something I am not willing to grant as the fathers of the church accused each other of deception).
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rly-church

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27-12-2014, 11:29 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(27-12-2014 04:34 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(27-12-2014 03:44 PM)Gordon Wrote:  Why would I have ever known about that doctrine? Universal reconciliation is not a teaching of Jesus Christ, in fact quite the opposite. It doesn't even make sense. How can you believe in a mechanism of salvation that is contradicted by the very being providing the salvation?

I don't expect you to comprehend this but others like KC especially may be interested.

"Barth's doctrine of election involves a firm rejection of the notion of an eternal, hidden decree. In keeping with his Christo-centric methodology, Barth argues that to ascribe the salvation or damnation of humanity to an abstract absolute decree is to make some part of God more final and definitive than God's saving act in Jesus Christ. God's absolute decree, if one may speak of such a thing, is God's gracious decision to be for humanity in the person of Jesus Christ. Drawing from the earlier Reformed tradition, Barth retains the notion of double predestination but makes Jesus himself the object of both divine election and reprobation simultaneously; Jesus embodies both God's election of humanity and God's rejection of human sin."

We are all elect. No action or belief required and not a damn thing we can do about it.

Well, that's not in keeping with the teachings of Jesus Christ, and I only follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. There is no other teacher. There is no other leader. There is no other minister. Just Jesus Christ.

You might as well stay an atheist. All your spouting there is a satanic deception. Munching on the apple, so to speak. [Image: devil1.gif]
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