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29-12-2014, 12:37 PM (This post was last modified: 29-12-2014 12:52 PM by Gordon.)
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
First off, GirlyMan, I'm only going to look at two of the verses you posted, because as you know, I only follow the teachings of Jesus Christ as found in the Gospel record. Once the VGJC is re-published, I won't even follow the Gospels from the NT--just the VGJC. Having said that, you mentioned two verses from the Gospels:

Quote:"And all flesh shall see the salvation of God." - Luke 3:6

As you well know, this is a quote by John the Baptist who is quoting the Prophet Isaiah. This is a prophecy foretelling the coming of the first age of the Son of Man, Jesus Christ. The salvation of God, in this context is Jesus Christ. He means God is revealing the plan of salvation from sin. It's a covenant however that requires a spiritual transformation, one has to be born again. One still has to believe in the Son.

But again, I'm not schooling you. I know you already know that. Facepalm

Quote:"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” " - John 1:29

Again, you are quoting John the Baptist. And here he is referring to Jesus as the sacrifice God is making to break the separation between God and man as a result of sin. It's a new covenant God is making with mankind. Before, there was no way to be free of sin. You just had to do better with the Law. But Jesus takes away the sin--again, if we believe in him.

I will grant you that if you take the verse completely out of the context of the rest of the Gospel record, you could construe it to mean, Jesus came, died, rose again, and now there is no more sin in the world.

But then you would be a follower of John the Baptist, wouldn't you?

And I realize there were all those other verses by Paul. But it is because of the teachings of Paul that I came to learn I need to follow only Jesus Christ. All other things in the Bible are either for historical context, or they are the opinions of early Christians. That's it.

Besides, GM, you can't believe what you're arguing, because then you wouldn't be an atheist. You'd be wrong, but you wouldn't be an atheist. No
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29-12-2014, 05:04 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(29-12-2014 11:44 AM)morondog Wrote:  I woulda thought that'd be "Canis vita est" Tongue I suppose one could use google translate but it's so fun to be ignorant in another language...

My Latin is very rusty, as you can tell. Smile

Now that I look at it, "vide" is a conjugation of videre. Ugh. I need to read again!
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29-12-2014, 05:10 PM
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(29-12-2014 12:37 PM)Gordon Wrote:  And I realize there were all those other verses by Paul. But it is because of the teachings of Paul that I came to learn I need to follow only Jesus Christ. All other things in the Bible are either for historical context, or they are the opinions of early Christians. That's it.

Besides, GM, you can't believe what you're arguing, because then you wouldn't be an atheist. You'd be wrong, but you wouldn't be an atheist. No

And that's what "freethinkers' do in his world. They feel free to tell other people how they think. No

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29-12-2014, 05:29 PM (This post was last modified: 29-12-2014 05:36 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(29-12-2014 12:37 PM)Gordon Wrote:  But then you would be a follower of John the Baptist, wouldn't you?

I do find the Essenes rather intriguing. Nothing worth losing my head over though.

(29-12-2014 12:37 PM)Gordon Wrote:  Besides, GM, you can't believe what you're arguing, because then you wouldn't be an atheist. You'd be wrong, but you wouldn't be an atheist. No

Jesus was the OG atheist.

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29-12-2014, 06:42 PM
RE: Eric Metaxas in WSJ
(29-12-2014 05:29 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(29-12-2014 12:37 PM)Gordon Wrote:  But then you would be a follower of John the Baptist, wouldn't you?

I do find the Essenes rather intriguing. Nothing worth losing my head over though.

I see what you did there...

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03-01-2015, 12:29 PM
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Meant for a different thread
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03-01-2015, 05:22 PM
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(29-12-2014 12:37 PM)Gordon Wrote:  But then you would be a follower of John the Baptist, wouldn't you?

And I realize there were all those other verses by Paul. But it is because of the teachings of Paul that I came to learn I need to follow only Jesus Christ. All other things in the Bible are either for historical context, or they are the opinions of early Christians. That's it.

Besides, GM, you can't believe what you're arguing, because then you wouldn't be an atheist. You'd be wrong, but you wouldn't be an atheist. No

Genuine question: Why would you reject the teachings of the prophets? They're claiming revelation/ inspiration from god; same as you. They're also the source of the texts you're "synthesising" the Verdican Gospel from.

What makes the written word of somebody claiming to speak for god more reliable than the recorded, spoken word of somebody claiming to speak for god?

Why draw the line between what god said while he was in the flesh and what god said via proxy?

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04-01-2015, 08:00 AM
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(27-12-2014 10:03 AM)Gordon Wrote:  When you combine the weights of the teleological argument for the existence of God (that is the apparent design in the universe), along with the cosmological argument (that is the necessity for all physical things to have an initial cause), you can't escape the belief that God exists--without being irrational that is. If you throw in the ontological argument (that is that God, with a capital G, must logically exist), you just can't be an atheist.

However, none of these arguments gets you close to God--which is all that matters to us. Who cares if God exists if He takes no notice of us? It also doesn't tell us that we will live after we die--but if we don't, then once again, who cares about God?

The fact is without a personal revelation of God, the question of God is moot. There has to be a way to God.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me."

He's right. If God exists, then God is the God of quarks and galaxies all at the same time. Our mind can be nothing like God's mind. We cannot contain him in our thoughts. We have to simplify Him. We must have a revelation. Was Jesus that revelation, that way? You need to answer that question for yourselves.

And don't look at Christianity. The Church has almost nothing to do with Jesus at all. You have to go to the Gospels yourself. You have to read them as if you had just found them on a beach and had no idea of where they came from. And when you read them, read them like this:
  • Jesus represents what you are trying to become.
  • The disciples represent various aspects of your personality and your thinking processes.
  • Read as if the Gospels were sent to you alone by God and are actually for you and about you.
  • Look for the riddles and figure them out: They're the parts that don't seem to make any sense. They're there for you to figure out and grow into Christ as a result.

Do not read any other part of the Bible. Don't look at any of it. You don't need to. The Gospels, when they were written, were stand alone documents. When they were written, there was no Bible and no "Church." Everyone was still trying to figure out what Jesus was all about.

Some churches were sex cults. Some mixed paganism with the teachings of Jesus, some were still doing sacrifices, some were Gnostic and secretive, each of the "Apostles" seemed to be teaching different things. There were false prophets of Jesus running all over the place. Some sects were even wealthy, or Jewish.

Jesus came on to the scene. He lived, taught, was crucified, and no one ever found his body after that. Not then, not now. He was so amazing to people then, that even today, people are trying to figure out what his existence meant?

Because for some people, when they read the Gospel record, they get a sense that Jesus is still alive. It's like he's all around. Resurrected.

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