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05-11-2014, 09:50 AM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(04-11-2014 07:58 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 01:14 PM)Impulse Wrote:  So tell me, before you were born, what was your life like? Consider

Life and existence are not the same thing...you conflate the two.
The length of my life is finite but my existence is eternal. Me the day I was born has not faded from existence.....it is as equally valid as my now existence.

Then you don't believe in eternal life, but only eternal existence... is that what you're saying? Consider

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05-11-2014, 10:07 AM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(05-11-2014 09:50 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 07:58 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Life and existence are not the same thing...you conflate the two.
The length of my life is finite but my existence is eternal. Me the day I was born has not faded from existence.....it is as equally valid as my now existence.

Then you don't believe in eternal life, but only eternal existence... is that what you're saying? Consider

Eternal life... buy a Greek /Hebrew Lexicon

... as in not infinitely past, but eternally into the future. Infinite and eternal are not the same things when going to THE SOURCE rather than the translation. Why do you guys pretend to know ANYTHING about Christianity?

http://biblehub.com/greek/166.htm

aiónios: agelong, eternal
Original Word: αἰώνιος, ία, ιον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: aiónios
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-o'-nee-os)
Short Definition: eternal, unending
Definition: age-long, and therefore: practically eternal, unending; partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, as contrasted with that which is brief and fleeting.
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05-11-2014, 10:28 AM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(05-11-2014 10:07 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 09:50 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Then you don't believe in eternal life, but only eternal existence... is that what you're saying? Consider

Eternal life... buy a Greek /Hebrew Lexicon

... as in not infinitely past, but eternally into the future. Infinite and eternal are not the same things when going to THE SOURCE rather than the translation. Why do you guys pretend to know ANYTHING about Christianity?

http://biblehub.com/greek/166.htm

aiónios: agelong, eternal
Original Word: αἰώνιος, ία, ιον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: aiónios
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-o'-nee-os)
Short Definition: eternal, unending
Definition: age-long, and therefore: practically eternal, unending; partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, as contrasted with that which is brief and fleeting.

Why do you pretend to have reading comprehension? You replied to me, but nothing you said fits anything that I said.

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05-11-2014, 10:35 AM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(05-11-2014 10:28 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 10:07 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Eternal life... buy a Greek /Hebrew Lexicon

... as in not infinitely past, but eternally into the future. Infinite and eternal are not the same things when going to THE SOURCE rather than the translation. Why do you guys pretend to know ANYTHING about Christianity?

http://biblehub.com/greek/166.htm

aiónios: agelong, eternal
Original Word: αἰώνιος, ία, ιον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: aiónios
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-o'-nee-os)
Short Definition: eternal, unending
Definition: age-long, and therefore: practically eternal, unending; partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, as contrasted with that which is brief and fleeting.

Why do you pretend to have reading comprehension? You replied to me, but nothing you said fits anything that I said.

Sure it did moron... I just showed you the biblical difference between infinite and eternal.
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05-11-2014, 10:46 AM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(05-11-2014 10:35 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 10:28 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Why do you pretend to have reading comprehension? You replied to me, but nothing you said fits anything that I said.

Sure it did moron... I just showed you the biblical difference between infinite and eternal.

Which, of course, doesn't show that it had anything to do with anything that I said. Yeah, no reading comprehension.

Ok, let me try to make this understandable for you: Why did you think you needed to explain that specifically to me?

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05-11-2014, 10:58 AM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(04-11-2014 01:09 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 11:31 AM)OddGamer Wrote:  Total novice (me) weighing in. However, reading and thinking a bit.. I come to the conclusion that eternalism does not state that we 'exist forever' in the same way that the conventional view of the universe does not despite the energy of our existence having been present since the big bang and will be present billions of years from now. Eternalism, at best, would imply that our lives already exist in past and future with birth and death merely being the end points of that existence. Which is not, in any way, similar to the concept of an eternal existence in the convetional sence.

I have loved ones who have died and I don't believe they are gone simply because I believe the past is just as valid of an existence as my present. Even if God, heaven and hell do not exist, I will still believe the humans are eternal beings. I have and always will have existed. My existence transcends some tick of the clock.

I get this. You exist now and when you die you will have existed. You will always have existed. Or no matter what happens in the future you exist now and will always have existed now. That is a fact unless somebody in the future invents time travel to the past. That doesn't seem likely to me but who knows.
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05-11-2014, 11:06 AM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(05-11-2014 10:35 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 10:28 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Why do you pretend to have reading comprehension? You replied to me, but nothing you said fits anything that I said.

Sure it did moron... I just showed you the biblical difference between infinite and eternal.

Why should a non-Christian give a shit about any Biblical explanation?
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05-11-2014, 12:31 PM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(05-11-2014 10:58 AM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  I get this. You exist now and when you die you will have existed. You will always have existed. Or no matter what happens in the future you exist now and will always have existed now. That is a fact unless somebody in the future invents time travel to the past. That doesn't seem likely to me but who knows.
Aha, so that's what he means.
That was cryptic.
It's not just about people either, cats, dogs, rats, insects, rocks basically everything that at some point has existed, we can put them down in the history books as having occupied time and space for at least a brief moment. The fact that they don't exist anymore is irrelevant.

So I guess that just leaves Jesus and God outside the history book of having existed. They need to be in the history book of things that haven't existed but have been imagined by other things that have existed.
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05-11-2014, 01:12 PM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(05-11-2014 09:50 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 07:58 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Life and existence are not the same thing...you conflate the two.
The length of my life is finite but my existence is eternal. Me the day I was born has not faded from existence.....it is as equally valid as my now existence.

Then you don't believe in eternal life, but only eternal existence... is that what you're saying? Consider

Sure....I would agree with that statement. I don't rule out the possibility of an afterlife though. I suspect when I am dead that will be an end point in my conscious experience.
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05-11-2014, 01:43 PM
RE: Eternity and boredom.
(04-11-2014 02:05 PM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  The way that Christians have described it to me basically can be summed up like this.


"Human suffering is caused by Sin."
"Sin exists because God gave Man free will."
"Hell exists because Sin cannot enter Heaven."
"In Heaven there is no suffering or Sin."

My conclusion:

Therefore in heaven there is no free will.

So are any theists going to actually address this?

Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books. For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring, but to him they are but toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger.”

― Gordon R. Dickson
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