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25-07-2016, 07:56 PM
RE: Europe, Russia and Trump
I can't seem to find the right words to express what I can best identify as hypocrisy...

So instead I'll say regardless of what Trump says, I'd be happy to come kill Russians for you if that's what it comes to. But, at the very least, try to stay the fuck out of the way and hold back the urge to complain about how we do things if you won't or can't do it yourself.

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25-07-2016, 08:05 PM (This post was last modified: 26-07-2016 02:26 AM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: Europe, Russia and Trump
I'm reminded of April Glaspie's comments to Saddam Hussein shortly before he invaded Kuwait.

But the real question is, "Is NATO obsolete?"

And the answer is "Yes."
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25-07-2016, 08:15 PM
RE: Europe, Russia and Trump
(25-07-2016 08:05 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I'm reminded if April Glaspie's comments to Saddam Hussein shortly before he invaded Kuwait.

But the real question is, "Is NATO obsolete?"

And the answer is "Yes."

I like the idea of NATO. In theory.

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25-07-2016, 08:22 PM
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Yeah, in theory it's fine, going by its original charter. I'm not big on its interventionist evolution, nor its aggressive expansion.

I think the EU could and should assume NATO's mission and duties.
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25-07-2016, 08:24 PM
RE: Europe, Russia and Trump
(25-07-2016 08:15 PM)yakherder Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 08:05 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I'm reminded if April Glaspie's comments to Saddam Hussein shortly before he invaded Kuwait.

But the real question is, "Is NATO obsolete?"

And the answer is "Yes."

I like the idea of NATO. In theory.

I do too.

And it's just too much coincidence for me -

Putin having spoken out in favor of Trump some time ago

Russian hackers publishing the dem letters about the Bern

Trump announcing he would not defend the Balkans

Too much coincidence.

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25-07-2016, 08:33 PM
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(25-07-2016 08:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 08:15 PM)yakherder Wrote:  I like the idea of NATO. In theory.

I do too.

And it's just too much coincidence for me -

Putin having spoken out in favor of Trump some time ago

Russian hackers publishing the dem letters about the Bern

Trump announcing he would not defend the Balkans

Too much coincidence.

Hopefully the conspiracy theories don't start to fly too much, because they might not have the effect most people would think. I can't answer for the general population, but Putin is at this point more popular in military subculture than either Hillary or Trump.

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25-07-2016, 08:35 PM
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(25-07-2016 08:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 08:15 PM)yakherder Wrote:  I like the idea of NATO. In theory.

I do too.

And it's just too much coincidence for me -

Putin having spoken out in favor of Trump some time ago

Russian hackers publishing the dem letters about the Bern

Trump announcing he would not defend the Balkans

Too much coincidence.
Whoa whoa whoa. Wikileaks published the leaked DNC e-mails, not Russian hackers. There's no evidence that Russia was involved in it whatsoever.

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25-07-2016, 08:36 PM
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(25-07-2016 08:33 PM)yakherder Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 08:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  I do too.

And it's just too much coincidence for me -

Putin having spoken out in favor of Trump some time ago

Russian hackers publishing the dem letters about the Bern

Trump announcing he would not defend the Balkans

Too much coincidence.

Hopefully the conspiracy theories don't start to fly too much, because they might not have the effect most people would think. I can't answer for the general population, but Putin is at this point more popular in military subculture than either Hillary or Trump.

BTW, off topic, I love your signature. I have sat here and stared at it, Smile

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25-07-2016, 08:37 PM
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(25-07-2016 08:35 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 08:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  I do too.

And it's just too much coincidence for me -

Putin having spoken out in favor of Trump some time ago

Russian hackers publishing the dem letters about the Bern

Trump announcing he would not defend the Balkans

Too much coincidence.
Whoa whoa whoa. Wikileaks published the leaked DNC e-mails, not Russian hackers. There's no evidence that Russia was involved in it whatsoever.

The national news today said it was traced back to Russian hackers - the hack was done from machines operating on Russian script...

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25-07-2016, 08:41 PM
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(25-07-2016 08:37 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 08:35 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Whoa whoa whoa. Wikileaks published the leaked DNC e-mails, not Russian hackers. There's no evidence that Russia was involved in it whatsoever.

The national news today said it was traced back to Russian hackers - the hack was done from machines operating on Russian script...
Do you have a link to that news story? Consider

This article is from a couple hours ago: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wiki...ia-n616541

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