Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
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19-09-2016, 05:35 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(18-09-2016 09:11 PM)theBorg Wrote:  The atheist is divided, there is a crack in any atheist: the conscious says "No True God, No soul, No freewill, No life, No way, No intelligent design, No sin, No evil, No good, No saints, No wonders, No miracles, No theists, No Verity, No authority, No forbidden words, No insults, and all - No. No....".

No True God - no evidence for any god, let alone a "true" god (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean)
No soul - only in the poetic sense
No freewill - depends on what you mean; I suspect I don't accept what you do
No life - obviously false
No way - not one ordained by a supernatural being
No intelligent design - not by a supernatural agent
No sin - only in the poetic sense
No evil - actions can be evil but 'evil' is not a thing unto itself
No good - actions can be good but 'good' is not a thing unto itself
No saints - only in the poetic sense
No wonders - too many wonders to appreciate in one lifetime
No miracles - not by a supernatural agent
No theists - too many theists to deprecate in one lifetime
No Verity - not as imposed by a supernatural agent
No authority - not from a supernatural agent
No forbidden words - fuck no
No insults - Many insults; your claims are an insult to every thinking being

Quote:But the subconscious does have the definition and recognition of any of these No-es. In the subconscious they are Yes-es! Yes: True God, Yes: soul, yes freewill, etc.

only in your dreams. The way I see it, theists are the ones that are split. They need constant reinforcement and to shut out all contradicting evidence because they know deep down that what they believe makes no sense at all. See how insulting it is for somebody to tell you what you think?

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19-09-2016, 05:38 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 05:24 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(19-09-2016 02:57 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
If the probability is not known to be exactly zero, then a thing can not be dismissed.

If the probability is not known at all and there is no way to even begin to calculate a probability because there is no evidence then it can be easily dismissed.

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19-09-2016, 05:42 AM (This post was last modified: 19-09-2016 05:46 AM by Gloucester.)
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
Are you Дмитрий "theBorg" Мартила then?

Hope the Google loses something in that translation from Russian.

Ah, no, same sort of stuff you post here.

(Дмитрий Мартила = Dmitrii March

Dmitrii from Demeter, the Greek goddess of corn.

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19-09-2016, 05:48 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 05:24 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(19-09-2016 02:57 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
If the probability is not known to be exactly zero, then a thing can not be dismissed.

So you can't dismiss all the other gods existing such as Thor, Tlaloc and Chalchiuhtlicue.

Maybe you should start praying to them as well in case you are wrong.
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19-09-2016, 05:51 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 05:10 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(19-09-2016 03:19 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Logic is meaningless
I have figured out

It is disingenuous of you to quote me like that as saying Logic is meaningless when what I actually said was "Logic is meaningless if it not based on real world evidence."

I think I will start selectively misquoting you to say things that you never actually said.
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19-09-2016, 06:02 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 05:51 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  It is disingenuous of you to quote me like that...
Yes I see the problem. However in this particular case it seems, what the empirical evidence substitutes the logic almost entirely. But for a philosopher (like the Multiverse or String Theory Physicists) the evidence is like servant of the Logic, not the master. There was no evidence for having so many decades the Fermat Last Theorem, but it was never ignored and was never dismissed.
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19-09-2016, 06:03 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 05:51 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(19-09-2016 05:10 AM)theBorg Wrote:  I have figured out

It is disingenuous of you to quote me like that as saying Logic is meaningless when what I actually said was "Logic is meaningless if it not based on real world evidence."

I think I will start selectively misquoting you to say things that you never actually said.

Except that there's no need to quote mine since his full quotes are equally damning. He may be approaching being fractally inane.

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19-09-2016, 06:46 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 05:38 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(19-09-2016 05:24 AM)theBorg Wrote:  If the probability is not known to be exactly zero, then a thing can not be dismissed.

If the probability is not known at all ... then it can be easily dismissed.
Better to say "the manuscript will be rejected in Physical Review Letters." But we all know, what word "dismissal" for a truth-seeker is the "disproof". The Fermat Last Theorem was not ever dismissed.
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19-09-2016, 06:52 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 05:48 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  So you can't dismiss all the other gods existing such as Thor, ...
I have logical proofs of the Holy Trinity. Please look for "Dmitri Martila" and do not come back without the scientific disproofs of my proofs. A scientist is in right, until the disproof comes.
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19-09-2016, 06:59 AM
RE: Even an atheist can say "the laws came from above", isn't it?
(19-09-2016 06:52 AM)theBorg Wrote:  I have logical proofs of the Holy Trinity. Please look for "Dmitri Martila" and do not come back without the scientific disproofs of my proofs.

Present your argument or fuck off. You do not dictate what I must or must not do.


(19-09-2016 06:52 AM)theBorg Wrote:  A scientist is in right, until the disproof comes.

No. No. No. No. NO.

And No.

I can't say No enough in fact.

This shows 100% that you do not in any way understand science or the scientific method.

And one last time ... No.













Fuck it.

No.


















No, I really mean it, NO.
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