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22-10-2013, 09:40 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 09:36 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes... technically... God did make her find it since every bit of minutia is pre-planned; however, the connotation that she portrays is that God is, as aforementioned, some wish granting fairy fluttering about making sure unicorns and rainbows are in tact for Christians.

That's ain't it.

This world is filled with crap. Horrible crap. This crap happens to everyone... even Christians. God planned all that for whatever reason... horror, anguish, fright, starvation; along with with hope, peace, happiness, and beauty.

But, to say that God led you to find a diamond for your own personal monetary joy is a slap in the face to His omnipotence.

God ain't all unicorns and rainbows, little girl. Neither is Christianity. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll realize you've got a wrong understanding of God.

On a side note, this is the type of mentality that I think a lot of ex-Christians have about God. That is, if things gets ugly, they question their faith and as to why God didn't provide them with their life of unicorns and rainbows.

Maybe I'm jaded and cynical... maybe... but I just call it being realistic.

God isn't real

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22-10-2013, 09:55 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 09:36 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes... technically... God did make her find it since every bit of minutia is pre-planned; however, the connotation that she portrays is that God is, as aforementioned, some wish granting fairy fluttering about making sure unicorns and rainbows are in tact for Christians.

That's ain't it.

This world is filled with crap. Horrible crap. This crap happens to everyone... even Christians. God planned all that for whatever reason... horror, anguish, fright, starvation; along with with hope, peace, happiness, and beauty.

But, to say that God led you to find a diamond for your own personal monetary joy is a slap in the face to His omnipotence.

God ain't all unicorns and rainbows, little girl. Neither is Christianity. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll realize you've got a wrong understanding of God.

On a side note, this is the type of mentality that I think a lot of ex-Christians have about God. That is, if things gets ugly, they question their faith and as to why God didn't provide them with their life of unicorns and rainbows.

Maybe I'm jaded and cynical... maybe... but I just call it being realistic.

God isn't an omnibenevolent super hero.

Tell me again why Christians are so enamored of a god that does this kind of stuff when (s)he could just do the good stuff?

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22-10-2013, 10:03 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 09:55 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Tell me again why Christians are so enamored of a god that does this kind of stuff when (s)he could just do the good stuff?

God is too busy finding lost car keys for my m8 in an arse end suburb of Perth Australia.
So He recently boasted to me (my friend that is ,not god).
Who cares about children who are getting abused/starving/sick by the thousands .
they probably were not baptized in an American tea party state like all proper christians are supposed to.
Pretty sure the African ones were collecting firewood on the Sabbath.

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22-10-2013, 10:08 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 09:36 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes... technically... God did make her find it since every bit of minutia is pre-planned; however, the connotation that she portrays is that God is, as aforementioned, some wish granting fairy fluttering about making sure unicorns and rainbows are in tact for Christians.

That's ain't it.

This world is filled with crap. Horrible crap. This crap happens to everyone... even Christians. God planned all that for whatever reason... horror, anguish, fright, starvation; along with with hope, peace, happiness, and beauty.

But, to say that God led you to find a diamond for your own personal monetary joy is a slap in the face to His omnipotence.

God ain't all unicorns and rainbows, little girl. Neither is Christianity. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll realize you've got a wrong understanding of God.

On a side note, this is the type of mentality that I think a lot of ex-Christians have about God. That is, if things gets ugly, they question their faith and as to why God didn't provide them with their life of unicorns and rainbows.

Maybe I'm jaded and cynical... maybe... but I just call it being realistic.

God isn't an omnibenevolent super hero.

So then is there a point to prayer? Or if you believe that god answered your prayer, does that mean your special?

If everything is predetermined to happen then is there really a point to it at all?


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22-10-2013, 10:11 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 10:08 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(22-10-2013 09:36 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes... technically... God did make her find it since every bit of minutia is pre-planned; however, the connotation that she portrays is that God is, as aforementioned, some wish granting fairy fluttering about making sure unicorns and rainbows are in tact for Christians.

That's ain't it.

This world is filled with crap. Horrible crap. This crap happens to everyone... even Christians. God planned all that for whatever reason... horror, anguish, fright, starvation; along with with hope, peace, happiness, and beauty.

But, to say that God led you to find a diamond for your own personal monetary joy is a slap in the face to His omnipotence.

God ain't all unicorns and rainbows, little girl. Neither is Christianity. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll realize you've got a wrong understanding of God.

On a side note, this is the type of mentality that I think a lot of ex-Christians have about God. That is, if things gets ugly, they question their faith and as to why God didn't provide them with their life of unicorns and rainbows.

Maybe I'm jaded and cynical... maybe... but I just call it being realistic.

God isn't an omnibenevolent super hero.

So then is there a point to prayer? Or if you believe that god answered your prayer, does that mean your special?

If everything is predetermined to happen then is there really a point to it at all?

This is what I said about prayer in the Ask a Theist! thread:
Prayer is essential because it is communication with God. Most people see prayer as “Oh hai god! Heal plz. Can I have this?” Prayer, in essence, isn’t this at all. Yes, our fates our determined, but this line of communication helps us understand God. It allows Him to answer questions. He can reveal to us the “whys”. Prayer is for us. It’s not for God.

We are to pray for others in obedience. Praying for others also allows God to reveal to us how He wants us to be used, what to say, and how to act around others. Ultimately, none of that is our choice; however, prayer is use as an explanation for His purpose and a look into His will.

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22-10-2013, 10:11 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 10:08 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(22-10-2013 09:36 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes... technically... God did make her find it since every bit of minutia is pre-planned; however, the connotation that she portrays is that God is, as aforementioned, some wish granting fairy fluttering about making sure unicorns and rainbows are in tact for Christians.

That's ain't it.

This world is filled with crap. Horrible crap. This crap happens to everyone... even Christians. God planned all that for whatever reason... horror, anguish, fright, starvation; along with with hope, peace, happiness, and beauty.

But, to say that God led you to find a diamond for your own personal monetary joy is a slap in the face to His omnipotence.

God ain't all unicorns and rainbows, little girl. Neither is Christianity. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll realize you've got a wrong understanding of God.

On a side note, this is the type of mentality that I think a lot of ex-Christians have about God. That is, if things gets ugly, they question their faith and as to why God didn't provide them with their life of unicorns and rainbows.

Maybe I'm jaded and cynical... maybe... but I just call it being realistic.

God isn't an omnibenevolent super hero.

So then is there a point to prayer? Or if you believe that god answered your prayer, does that mean your special?

If everything is predetermined to happen then is there really a point to it at all?

If I understand correctly, that predetermined (predestined) thing is the Calvinism that KC is leaning away from.

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22-10-2013, 10:18 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 10:11 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(22-10-2013 10:08 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  So then is there a point to prayer? Or if you believe that god answered your prayer, does that mean your special?

If everything is predetermined to happen then is there really a point to it at all?

This is what I said about prayer in the Ask a Theist! thread:
Prayer is essential because it is communication with God. Most people see prayer as “Oh hai god! Heal plz. Can I have this?” Prayer, in essence, isn’t this at all. Yes, our fates our determined, but this line of communication helps us understand God. It allows Him to answer questions. He can reveal to us the “whys”. Prayer is for us. It’s not for God.

We are to pray for others in obedience. Praying for others also allows God to reveal to us how He wants us to be used, what to say, and how to act around others. Ultimately, none of that is our choice; however, prayer is use as an explanation for His purpose and a look into His will.

But if it's all predetermined, what's the point? You're already well aware it's god's will...

What does he [god] reveal? You rationalize it what you think the message is....

I could meditate and gain insight from a rock.
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22-10-2013, 10:24 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 10:11 AM)Anjele Wrote:  
(22-10-2013 10:08 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  So then is there a point to prayer? Or if you believe that god answered your prayer, does that mean your special?

If everything is predetermined to happen then is there really a point to it at all?

If I understand correctly, that predetermined (predestined) thing is the Calvinism that KC is leaning away from.

No, no.

Not leaning away... if anything... getting even more Calvinistic.

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22-10-2013, 10:25 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(21-10-2013 02:55 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  A teenage girl finds a 3.75 carat diamond in Arkanas' open diamond park. Story here.

This is what she says:

"I think God pointed me to it. I was about to sprint to join my family, and God told me to slow down and look. Then I found the diamond."

Tana said she said a prayer of thanks and named her diamond the God's Jewel diamond.


ugh

Really?

God pointed you to a diamond? K.

I hope that diamond was registered with DeBeers. Otherwise God just pointed her to a worthless hunk of carbon.

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22-10-2013, 10:25 AM
RE: Even this makes me (a Christian) cringe
(22-10-2013 10:18 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(22-10-2013 10:11 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  This is what I said about prayer in the Ask a Theist! thread:
Prayer is essential because it is communication with God. Most people see prayer as “Oh hai god! Heal plz. Can I have this?” Prayer, in essence, isn’t this at all. Yes, our fates our determined, but this line of communication helps us understand God. It allows Him to answer questions. He can reveal to us the “whys”. Prayer is for us. It’s not for God.

We are to pray for others in obedience. Praying for others also allows God to reveal to us how He wants us to be used, what to say, and how to act around others. Ultimately, none of that is our choice; however, prayer is use as an explanation for His purpose and a look into His will.

But if it's all predetermined, what's the point? You're already well aware it's god's will...

What does he [god] reveal? You rationalize it what you think the message is....

I could meditate and gain insight from a rock.

Because that is the predetermined medium in which God chooses to reveal His will. We (elect) can't NOT pray.

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