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16-11-2016, 10:15 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(16-11-2016 09:44 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I don't think people back then were as barbaric as you think just less compassionate for the fellow man which the bible tried to teach them.

They believed in animal blood sacrifice, killed entire cities of opposing nations (we call that "genocide", today), killed their own people for practicing unapproved religions, practiced slavery, and did about two dozen other things that are barbaric.

I don't think people are any more or less compassionate for their fellow man, today. We just have better ideas about how to construct a society and what rights one should be able to expect-- we came up with free society, and it was good. They were barbarians by every measure. So were my ancestors, at that time. Social knowledge has progressed. Yet it seems that "God" is only as socially progressive as the barbarians who invent speak for him.

(16-11-2016 09:44 PM)socialistview Wrote:  What is Sin is you doing something that causes something else to fail that's what sin is the ten commandments deal with you harming somebody else.

This is a LIE. Stop it. Stop Lying for Jesus™.

Only four of the ten commandments deal with you harming someone else (false witness, killing, stealing, and adultery). The others are prohibitions against free exercise of religion.

(16-11-2016 09:44 PM)socialistview Wrote:  but I think people back then were pretty advance if you would look at the library of alexandria

Um, the Library of Alexandria (in a city named after Alexander the Great) was founded by Ptolemy I Soter (which means "Savior", by the way), Alex's successor, in the 3rd century BCE... literally one thousand years after the time you and I are talking about.

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16-11-2016, 10:26 PM (This post was last modified: 16-11-2016 10:41 PM by Velvet.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(16-11-2016 09:26 PM)socialistview Wrote:  the adventure minded of aries

I'm aries and I'm a careful planner, a strategist... If you were to take any single word to decribe me wrongly would be adventurous or impulsive, I literally count the steps on all pathways to my work to get the optimized pathway and follow it every single time to avoid danger while getting myself some sweet 5-6+ minutes of sleep. (which piles up to a whole hour in 12 days, and more than 1 day each year)

Well, I guess I must be fucking up the whole thing then, I might be being Velvet in the wrong way... and the maps would be right?

(16-11-2016 09:44 PM)socialistview Wrote:  but I think people back then were pretty advance if you would look at the library of alexandria

But religious people had to set it on fire... Twice! Lovely.

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16-11-2016, 11:10 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Aries are said to be the warriors.
http://www.astrology-zodiac-signs.com/zo...gns/aries/
Its five and that would violate thr covenant between god and the hebrews. And its not genocide when thrir waring against each other. And freedom comes with a price you still have to abide by laws to be free even though our laws come from the bible we haven't gotten a better idea I think wev gone down in caring for each other, back then the jews would get stoned if they didnt leave the wheat they dropped on the ground for the poor. Now we make eccuses not to care for people and are allowed to do that.
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16-11-2016, 11:17 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Aries are said to be the warriors.
http://www.astrology-zodiac-signs.com/zo...gns/aries/
Its five and that would violate thr covenant between god and the hebrews. And its not genocide when thrir waring against each other.

Yes, it is. Mass killing of civilians to eradicate a people is the fucking definition of genocide, you delusional fuckwad.

Quote:And freedom comes with a price you still have to abide by laws to be free even though our laws come from the bible

No, they don't. They are Constitutionally-based and the Constitution is a product of Enlightenment thinking.

Quote:we haven't gotten a better idea I think wev gone down in caring for each other, back then the jews would get stoned if they didnt leave the wheat they dropped on the ground for the poor. Now we make eccuses not to care for people and are allowed to do that.

Yes, because leaving some dropped wheat is taking care of the poor. Facepalm
Or, they could harvest all the wheat and just feed the poor.

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16-11-2016, 11:36 PM (This post was last modified: 16-11-2016 11:49 PM by Velvet.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Aries are said to be the warriors.
http://www.astrology-zodiac-signs.com/zo...gns/aries/
Its five and that would violate thr covenant between god and the hebrews. And its not genocide when thrir waring against each other. And freedom comes with a price you still have to abide by laws to be free even though our laws come from the bible we haven't gotten a better idea I think wev gone down in caring for each other, back then the jews would get stoned if they didnt leave the wheat they dropped on the ground for the poor. Now we make eccuses not to care for people and are allowed to do that.

So, I'm a warrior because I think and make plans a lot like a warrior would do for war, instead of being impulsive and adventurous, or I'm a warrior because i'm impulsive and adventurous like a warrior?

So this fits both the careful planner AND the impulsive and adventurous in the same way, everyone is an aries then?
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You are wrong, genocide is always genocide it doesn't matter why its done, if you kill everyone in a island, of a culture that breeds only murderers and rapists that would still be genocide, you could argue it was a good idea to do so, but its genocide nonetheless.

And for us yes, genocide MIGHT be our only path in some conflicts and wars, that wouldn't make it right, even if it might be the lesser of two evils.

But for Yahweh that would never be the case, he doesn't need to compromise like us, he could make every one of those guys repent in shame (using his magic) and make everyone "see the light" and decide to work hard (willingly) for the rest of their lives to repair the shit they have done in their lives.

A medic has to answer why he didn't saved someone's life (or at least tried to) if he sees someone in need of medical help, he holds responsibility for his very limited power, which comes from his knowledge of medical practice.

Yahweh knows everything and has the power to do anything, so he must hold responsility for everything that happens... especially when him directly orders bad things instead of doing magical good things instead. I made it a case to explain in a way that you could understand, but i'm not that confident to think that you actually will.

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16-11-2016, 11:40 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Aries are said to be the warriors.

Nobody cares, astrology is vacuous bullshit.


(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Its five and that would violate thr covenant between god and the hebrews.

What the fuck are you saying? 'Hebrews' should be capitalized, I have no idea what 'thr' is supposed to mean, and can we even be sure you used the correct version of 'Its'?

Going to bat for your trippy, and entirely lacking in supporting evidence, view of the universe is entirely undermined by your own inability to give even a single fuck about communication. If you cannot be bothered to check your spelling so that what you write has some semblance of coherence, why should anyone else care?


(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And its not genocide when thrir waring against each other.

War and genocide are neither mutually exclusive nor one in the same you dumb cunt. That's why we have different words, with different meanings.

When the United States was at war with Germany during the second World War, neither side was trying to genocide each other. They were merely trying to bloody the nose of the other side enough to make them throw in the towel. They were at war with each other. But what the Nazis did to the ethnic Jews of Europe? Targeting them for extermination, not for a strategic or tactical advantage, but rather just to wipe them from existence because of who they were? That's genocide.

Your ignorance and misuse of the term spits on their memory.


(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And freedom comes with a price you still have to abide by laws to be free even though our laws come from the bible we haven't gotten a better idea

Fuck you!

Do we kill people for working on the weekend? Is adultery a crime, let alone punishable by death? Can you buy the marriageable hand of your rape victim?

This nation is not a Christian nation, was not founded on Christianity, and we should all be grateful for that fact. The Founding Fathers were all secularists, wanted to separate church and state, and held to Enlightenment ideals of freedom of choice and conscious. Only those supremely ignorant of history would claim otherwise and wish for the imposition of theocracy.


(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I think wev gone down in caring for each other, back then the jews would get stoned if they didnt leave the wheat they dropped on the ground for the poor. Now we make eccuses not to care for people and are allowed to do that.

Unless it was a Saturday, then they'ed get stoned for carrying wheat. Drinking Beverage

Excuse? What better excuse is there to not do anything than 'god works in mysterious ways'? Praying is the exclusive purview of making yourself feel good, like you actually did some good, but without actually having to do anything. One set of hands doing work causes more change than 1,000 held in prayer.

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17-11-2016, 12:02 AM (This post was last modified: 17-11-2016 12:08 AM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And its not genocide when thrir waring against each other.

Ohhhhhhhhh, so it's not genocide when it's war, eh? So when else would a genocide occur, exactly?

As Chas pointed out, that's the definition of genocide- using violence (including during a war) in order to exterminate a people.

(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And freedom comes with a price you still have to abide by laws to be free even though our laws come from the bible

Our laws come from the Bible? Let's take a look at that claim, shall we?

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

(US Constitution, Amendment 1... first words in the sentence.)

2. You shall make no idols.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech..."

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

"...or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press..."

4. Keep the Sabbath day holy.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

(I'm seeing a pattern, here.)

5. Honor your father and your mother.

Well, it's not unconstitutional, at least. It's also not a law in the USA. Or anywhere with which I am familiar.

6. You shall not kill.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

FINALLY! Murder, adultery, theft, and perjury. Yes, those four are actual US laws.

(Well, actually, adultery has been stricken from the books, but it was a law for a while. Turned out to be unconstitutional to tell people how they could have sex.)

But since your claim is that we get our laws from the Bible, I challenge you to show me any society that doesn't have laws against murder, theft, and perjury. I'm pretty sure the Hebrews didn't come up with those, as legal concepts. Just sayin'.

10. You shall not covet.

This is my favorite. Not only is this not a law, and has never been, but it is amusing that you post this claim right before the coming Black Friday (and Cyber Monday!), when we are being endlessly barraged by commercials that not only tell us to covet, but what to covet, by showing people who have stuff we are supposed to want. Our entire economy would collapse tomorrow if we stopped coveting.

Basically, your claim fails at every point, other than the three things that are found in every legal code ever written on this planet. Every other one is unconstitutional or the basis for our entire economic system.

Don't you ever get tired of being dead wrong?

(16-11-2016 11:10 PM)socialistview Wrote:  we haven't gotten a better idea I think wev gone down in caring for each other, back then the jews would get stoned if they didnt leave the wheat they dropped on the ground for the poor. Now we make eccuses not to care for people and are allowed to do that.

It wasn't a stoning offense not to leave the gleanings for the poor and for the traveler. Just a Levitical commandment. And while it was an early form of welfare, it pales in comparison to the modern forms (which, ironically, so many Christians try to disembowel at every opportunity)... but it actually was just a matter of leaving the fallen stuff that was not economical for the farmer to collect, so the poor could scramble for it. It also commanded them not to harvest to the very edges of the field, which turns out to be important for preventing plowed fields from losing topsoil due to runoff [Edit to Add: We still have laws that command farmers to do that, to this day]. Both of these "commandments from God" that seem so selfless are actually selfish acts by those farmers.

But I have to ask, again... aren't you tired of being wrong? Don't you WANT to learn, instead of going around making up convoluted excuses for your mistaken ideas?

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17-11-2016, 12:12 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 12:02 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Don't you WANT to learn, instead of going around making up convoluted excuses for your mistaken ideas?

He wants to learn convoluted excuses which work Dodgy

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17-11-2016, 12:15 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Sorry my phone swipes I ment to say "the". Adultery should be a crime it could be failer to be faithful to the contract. And back then they had to know what baby was there's to keep the linage going and materials letalone trying to not be like the other nation let alone being dishonest. You athiest try to be critical about the bibles use of capital punishment and you shouldnt becuase god wasn't. I claim otherwise thr founding fathrrs believed in church with state and that the bible showed these rules to be evident. Jesus healed the sick on sabbath and I know christians today are compla cent becuase secularism tells them to be selfish but the whole bible is about fending for the weak. God took his divine intervention away when the world rebelled and only gave it to the jews becuase abraham listened. You would be the first to be on the battle field and last to leave right aries. You sayvthe first thing thatvpops to your head.vyou hate whenvthings are slow and much more.
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17-11-2016, 12:19 AM
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Mabe it'd the movement of the stars. I mesn the moon affects the ocean.
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