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17-11-2016, 04:28 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 04:05 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  You can be better than that.

I already did. I stopped caring around page 40. This is clearly not for his benefit, but for other silent observers. If someone doesn't value reason, what reason can you give them to change their minds?

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17-11-2016, 04:35 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 04:05 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Socialistview you just that god says not to judge people, but here you are doing just that by calling rocketsurgeon a cancer.

Dude.

Aries. Cancer.

Zodiac. Facepalm

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17-11-2016, 04:39 AM (This post was last modified: 17-11-2016 04:43 AM by Celestial_Wonder.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 04:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(17-11-2016 04:05 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  You can be better than that.

I already did. I stopped caring around page 40. This is clearly not for his benefit, but for other silent observers. If someone doesn't value reason, what reason can you give them to change their minds?

You can never change another person's mind, that is something they have to do on their own. As I said we can only try and have them understand the way things are from our perspective, but we can only achieve that but understanding things from THEIR perspective. It isn't the reasons that we give but the reasoning that we use that will in the end alter their perspective.

(17-11-2016 04:35 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(17-11-2016 04:05 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Socialistview you just that god says not to judge people, but here you are doing just that by calling rocketsurgeon a cancer.

Dude.

Aries. Cancer.

Zodiac. Facepalm

Oh Blush

How'd this turn into a conversation about zodiac signs?
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17-11-2016, 04:50 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
I think he meant I'm of the birthsign Cancer. Actually, I'm a Gemini, for what it's worth.

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17-11-2016, 04:55 AM
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Oh, and feel free to speak for me at any point, EK. You're harsher than I am, but you say it so well. Big Grin

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17-11-2016, 04:59 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 04:39 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(17-11-2016 04:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  I already did. I stopped caring around page 40. This is clearly not for his benefit, but for other silent observers. If someone doesn't value reason, what reason can you give them to change their minds?
You can never change another person's mind, that is something they have to do on their own. As I said we can only try and have them understand the way things are from our perspective, but we can only achieve that but understanding things from THEIR perspective. It isn't the reasons that we give but the reasoning that we use that will in the end alter their perspective.

There is a wide gap between those with a genuine desire for the truth, and those who continuously lie thinking they're defending it. I have very little patience with people who are not only demonstrable liars, but who give zero fucks about changing that fact once being made aware of it. It would be one thing if socialistview had even once in 103 pages showed any semblance of self reflection, introspection, or ability to analyze that which was being presented to him. But he hasn't, all he's done is double down. He's not learning, he's simply vomiting up misinformation. There is no uptake with him. He's just here to shit on the carpet, and I'm here to clean up the mess.


(17-11-2016 04:39 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(17-11-2016 04:35 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Dude.

Aries. Cancer.

Zodiac. Facepalm

Oh Blush

How'd this turn into a conversation about zodiac signs?

Had you paid attention since the beginning, like I have and you evidently have not, this would not have surprised you at all. Like I said, I've already sifted through 103 pages of this.

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17-11-2016, 05:02 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 04:55 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Oh, and feel free to speak for me at any point, EK. You're harsher than I am, but you say it so well. Big Grin

Don't temp me, I might say something you regret. Even I have to maintain a certain level of decorum (or lack thereof). Tongue

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17-11-2016, 05:08 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 04:59 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(17-11-2016 04:39 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  You can never change another person's mind, that is something they have to do on their own. As I said we can only try and have them understand the way things are from our perspective, but we can only achieve that but understanding things from THEIR perspective. It isn't the reasons that we give but the reasoning that we use that will in the end alter their perspective.

There is a wide gap between those with a genuine desire for the truth, and those who continuously lie thinking they're defending it. I have very little patience with people who are not only demonstrable liars, but who give zero fucks about changing that fact once being made aware of it. It would be one thing if socialistview had even once in 103 pages showed any semblance of self reflection, introspection, or ability to analyze that which was being presented to him. But he hasn't, all he's done is double down. He's not learning, he's simply vomiting up misinformation. There is no uptake with him. He's just here to shit on the carpet, and I'm here to clean up the mess.


(17-11-2016 04:39 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Oh Blush

How'd this turn into a conversation about zodiac signs?

Had you paid attention since the beginning, like I have and you evidently have not, this would not have surprised you at all. Like I said, I've already sifted through 103 pages of this.

If you're the one seeking to alter his perspective it is you who has to find a way to reach him. Right now socialistview is probably being defensive about his beliefs, more than likely at least, I mean I would find it hard that in 103 pages worth he hasn't felt his beliefs were threatened. When people put up that barrier, it is hardest to reach them then.

(17-11-2016 04:50 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I think he meant I'm of the birthsign Cancer. Actually, I'm a Gemini, for what it's worth.

I'm a cancer!
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17-11-2016, 05:16 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 05:08 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  If you're the one seeking to alter his perspective it is you who has to find a way to reach him. Right now socialistview is probably being defensive about his beliefs, more than likely at least, I mean I would find it hard that in 103 pages worth he hasn't felt his beliefs were threatened. When people put up that barrier, it is hardest to reach them then.

It's not on me. I didn't come to his internet hang out and shit on his carpet. If I had done so, and then I got defensive when said shit was not appreciated by the local residents? I'd be the asshole in that scenario.

He came here to tell us how we're all wrong. He's not looking for a conversation. He's not even once given a direct reply. He is monologuing.


So I'm still here, cleaning up his mess, because it's my internet hang out and I appreciate a clean carpet Drinking Beverage

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17-11-2016, 05:28 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 05:16 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(17-11-2016 05:08 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  If you're the one seeking to alter his perspective it is you who has to find a way to reach him. Right now socialistview is probably being defensive about his beliefs, more than likely at least, I mean I would find it hard that in 103 pages worth he hasn't felt his beliefs were threatened. When people put up that barrier, it is hardest to reach them then.

It's not on me. I didn't come to his internet hang out and shit on his carpet. If I had done so, and then I got defensive when said shit was not appreciated by the local residents? I'd be the asshole in that scenario.

He came here to tell us how we're all wrong. He's not looking for a conversation. He's not even once given a direct reply. He is monologuing.


So I'm still here, cleaning up his mess, because it's my internet hang out and I appreciate a clean carpet Drinking Beverage

The dog shits on the carpet out of necessity because he wasn't able to go outside, yet when we come home the dog feels guilt and hides (is being defensive) because they know they did something 'wrong'. How much more loved the dog would feel if instead of reprimanding it for shitting on the carpet, we petted it and said we forgive him? Because it was our fault he shit on the carpet in the first place.

He may have came here meaning well enough, but it only takes one person to set another person on the defensive. And five whole pages had passed with various things about Socialists religion that could well have set him on the defensive side of things.

It would be easy enough to blame Christians for only using the bible to support their beliefs, but we have to understand, for many Christians the bible is all they really 'know'.

So forgive him for coming here and shitting on our carpet, because likely, we caused him to do so by not treating him as we ought to have treated him.
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