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18-10-2016, 10:12 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 09:50 AM)socialistview Wrote:  i find the bible to be true you just have to read it and the truth will set you free and its all about having faith that jesus died and rose again to be the first to recieve eternal life. read 2 timothy 3 theres alot about the time of the apocalypse, gods promise does not come back void. and the fundamentals is to care for one another the law was made so we can be aware of the effects we have on others and thing.

Many of us have read the Bible (more of it than a lot of Christians have read), and we find it to be a mishmash of myths, legends, rules and laws cooked up by the priests for the benefit of the priests, and some actual history -- and some great literature (mostly in the Old Testament, or Hebrew Bible). But "true" is the last word I would use to describe it, and nobody who read it with an open mind would come to that conclusion. You think it's "true" because you've been brainwashed to think that even before you read it -- so you read it with blinders on and fail to see all the blatant contradictions and inconsistencies. If you're familiar with ancient myths and legends of other cultures, you also can't help but notice (if you remove the blinders) that much of the Bible is borrowed from those other cultures. It's no more true than the Babylonian and Egyptian myths that preceded it.
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18-10-2016, 10:12 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 09:50 AM)socialistview Wrote:  i find the bible to be true you just have to read it and the truth will set you free and its all about having faith that jesus died and rose again to be the first to recieve eternal life. read 2 timothy 3 theres alot about the time of the apocalypse, gods promise does not come back void. and the fundamentals is to care for one another the law was made so we can be aware of the effects we have on others and thing.

socialistview, theBorg awaits you in the Boxing Ring thread, if you can convince him that you’re interpretations of the Bible are the correct ones I will too. Cool

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18-10-2016, 10:55 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
becuase it does come from other cultures god made a statement with the story of moses distinguishing his superiority to the other cultures back in those times even the jews were worshipping other gods even after david all religions come together to say the same thing but god said hes god above all those things alot of the stories are the same you can get the noahs ark story from the babylonian text. it says in the old testament the jews and egyptians were the same the only thing that differed them was that the egyptians served the gods while the jews served god. whats fasinating about the bible is that besides alll the war and scandels and bloodshed and what seems like a hateful god, it actually explains to you why for everything as you read book to book and the purpose as a living world as we continue towards whats all going to happen. and like the book of proverbs i think it actually true how things happen. from a book thats saying peace as being the understanding of the bible and the rest is just the history of the jews and how they rebelled from god over and over again and how evil they got i think its a book of understanding.
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18-10-2016, 12:05 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 10:55 AM)socialistview Wrote:  It says in the old testament the jews and egyptians were the same the only thing that differed them was that the egyptians served the gods while the jews served god.

Citation please.

Quote:and like the book of proverbs i think it actually true how things happen.

example please

Quote:the rest is just the history of the jews and how they rebelled from god over and over again and how evil they got i think its a book of understanding.

It's a book about an incompetent god that failed over and over to get his message across and was totally unable to control his creation. As a scifi/fantasy plot it has potential but it was very poorly executed.

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18-10-2016, 01:10 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 08:35 AM)socialistview Wrote:  i believe word by word. and i saw history channel and it said that constatin saw a cross in the sky while in battle but hes the leader of all the angels that makes sence something like osirus i believe talk about a person being sacrificed and they all come together to say the same thing gods are just angels but having super powers people percieved them as gods. and could it be this generation were coming to the end of the aryan epoch in theosophy terms could jesus be talking about that becuase revelation also says not everybody is going to die after the antichrist.

What video game is this ?
I want to play Osiris.
Sky battling sounds fun. Takes me back in the day when I use to play Joust at the arcade.

Do the characters have super powers ?

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18-10-2016, 01:12 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 09:50 AM)socialistview Wrote:  i find the bible to be true you just have to read it and the truth will set you free and its all about having faith that jesus died and rose again to be the first to recieve eternal life. read 2 timothy 3 theres alot about the time of the apocalypse, gods promise does not come back void. and the fundamentals is to care for one another the law was made so we can be aware of the effects we have on others and thing.

you do not indicate who this comment is intended to respond to but it seems like an attempt to answer the questions I posed to you. You confirm what I had surmised. You read the Bible and accepted what it said as true. You tell me to read the Bible and have faith. The problem still remains. Others read other books and have faith that they are true, books which contradict the Bible. So therefore faith can not be a reliable method of discovering what is true. I happen to know that the Bible is False, so reading it won't get me anywhere near the truth.

As for your answer to the question of what Christianity's most fundamental principle is, you have confirmed my suspicion that you do not know. "Caring for one another is not a fundamental principle. It can't be because it rests on prior knowledge, i.e., the concepts caring and one another.

I think it is wrong for you to be here promoting a view which you do not know fully, down to it's starting point. At a minimum, you should know your own starting point. Caring for one another isn't it and neither is God. The idea of God rests on prior knowledge as well. What I'm looking for Socialist, is the most fundamental concept which Christianity assumes. As I said you won't find it stated in the Bible explicitly. You'll have to do a little conceptual reduction to find it.

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18-10-2016, 01:16 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 01:12 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  What I'm looking for Socialist, is the most fundamental concept which Christianity assumes.

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18-10-2016, 01:23 PM
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(18-10-2016 01:16 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(18-10-2016 01:12 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  What I'm looking for Socialist, is the most fundamental concept which Christianity assumes.

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18-10-2016, 01:59 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2016 02:09 PM by socialistview.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
i cant find that scripture but proveBS READ 14:6 and see if thats not how things end up but this is from a wise man who recieved his wisdomfrom god. the greatest commandmentis love thy neighboras thy self god has always been three persons in one so when he speaks he says we, also the law was ment for multiple people during the time of adam there was no law so tell me what is this prior knowledge that god has not seen. and also the jews had connection with the highest god other books or religions are real just the jews were entrusted with his exact words while every other religion is passed down storiesand ya you can play invoke angel and ask for something thats what they did back then.
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18-10-2016, 02:15 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 01:59 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i cant find that scripture but proveBS READ 14:6 and see if thats not how things end up but this is from a wise man who recieved his wisdomfrom god. the greatest commandmentis love thy neighboras thy self god has always been three persons in one so when he speaks he says we, also the law was ment for multiple people during the time of adam there was no law so tell me what is this prior knowledge that god has not seen. and also the jews had connection with the highest god other books or religions are real just the jews were entrusted with his exact words while every other religion is passed down stories.

Any Muslim will tell you that Muhammad was entrusted with God's (Allah's) exact words. Why should we believe the Jews and not the Muslims? And why should we believe you? How do you know that God even exists, let alone that anyone was entrusted with his exact words? Anyone can claim that they have "talked to God" -- how do you verify that claim?
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