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19-11-2016, 09:43 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 11:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I've read everything from socrates to david hume, from erhman to dawkins and nothing steers me away from reading the bible and seeing how compassionate caring loving and good god is depicted in the bible.

Your point? How much good shit does your god have to do wipe away the culpability for all the lives lost in his world wide flood? How much charity would Hitler or Stalin have to perform before they were less monstrous?

Ignoring more than half of the Bible and only keeping the bits you like is not intellectually honest.


(19-11-2016 11:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  From what I've read it sbeen god trying to help an evil world.

An 'evil world' that he created. He could have done otherwise, but he didn't. In fact, he admits he created evil.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7


(19-11-2016 11:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God was going to wipe out all humanity becuase they all were evil but enoch asked god not to and find a rightous man in the flood same with sodom.

God creates the world, creates people, creates evil, and creates free-will; then punishes the people he created on the world he created for using their free-will he gave them to commit the evil he allowed. His solution to this is to kill almost everybody.

That does not make your god a good-guy, it makes him a genocidal idiot.


(19-11-2016 11:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And you come up with these petty arguments where it shows blatently that the people needed to be done with.

Uh, no. Nothing anyone could ever do would ever rate banishment to hell. Eternal torture for finite crimes is the epitome of injustice. Once again, that does not make your god the good-guy in this situation.


(19-11-2016 11:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  There has to be a judge for wrong doing for intelligent creatures feelings have to be ratified saying the feelings that are apart of man is good over evolving feelings to be satisfied.

We do that on our own, without the need to ratify it before a sky-daddy. One of our three branches of government is dedicated to do this, because your god doesn't do shit.


(19-11-2016 11:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  As you don't know how things work there's duality man and women feelings and no feelings. But I don't cherry pick I give you the whole thing but you cherry pick and haven't read the full bible. And people justify themselves but that's not what the bible says.

How are we cherry picking by making you answer for the parts of the Bible your are doing your best to ignore and brush under the carpet?

We've read the Bible, and without the presupposition that god is great and good, can see the text for what it plainly says. Good intentions, especially from an all-powerful, all-seeing, and all-knowing universe creating being, does not excuse the multiple instances of wrath, hatred, anger, and genocidal stupidity that you conviently ignore.

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19-11-2016, 09:54 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 06:32 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Yes, but they were evil babies.

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19-11-2016, 09:54 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 09:15 PM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 09:13 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  I guess you thought my shark logo was just an innocent avatar without teeth huh? Big Grin

I thought it was a dolphin >.>

Equivocation! Wait, maybe not this time. Consider

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19-11-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
I thought you said the canaans revered yahweh before the jews. They had time to repent. Jesus was the atonement for gods rightousness meaning in order to get devine intervention jesus is your only way becuase the world rebelled from god and wanted to go towards angels. And think about it god is good not evil atonement of sins.
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19-11-2016, 09:59 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 12:07 PM)socialistview Wrote:  God made us like him to choose and be free to do what we want not to be robots.

Funny, given how you seem to enjoy being the obedient little robot. The last thing I'd ever want to be is like the Christian god.

Quote:And no god tried to look for someone to beb crucified but nobody wanted to do it so god didb it himself to satisfy his anger from the world rebbelling.

Why is a blood sacrifice needed to satisfy his anger? That's a pretty disgusting concept. Add to that the idea that he looked for somebody willing to sacrifice themselves and we have a thoroughly immoral god.

It is always amusing watching Christians tie themselves in knots trying to excuse the truly abhorrent behavior of their imaginary friend.

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19-11-2016, 10:04 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 09:58 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I thought you said the canaans revered yahweh before the jews. They had time to repent. Jesus was the atonement for gods rightousness meaning in order to get devine intervention jesus is your only way becuase the world rebelled from god and wanted to go towards angels. And think about it god is good not evil atonement of sins.

You didn’t call the nurse and take your meds did you?

It is people like you that I fear the most, you wear your ignorance like a suit of armor. Logic cannot penetrate the steel apologist helmet you have strapped on so tightly around your head, so tight in fact that it has cut the flow off to your brain so that up is down, black is white and evil is good.

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19-11-2016, 10:07 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 09:58 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I thought you said the canaans revered yahweh before the jews. They had time to repent. Jesus was the atonement for gods rightousness meaning in order to get devine intervention jesus is your only way becuase the world rebelled from god and wanted to go towards angels. And think about it god is good not evil atonement of sins.

No, the Midianites and the Edomites did. Most of the Canaanites revered a pantheon of gods (as did the early Hebrews, who were also Canaanites, despite the legends of origins they made up later), with El at the top. Each god had their own tribe, and the one that was given by El to Yahweh was the tribe of Israel.

El was more heavily worshiped north of Canaan, while in the southeast of Canaan were the groups that started worshiping Yahweh.

Much, much later, the Jews (I say "Jews" instead of "Israelites" because the kingdom had split into Judea in the south and Israel in the north, and Assyria had already taken the northern tribes far away into captivity when the Babylonians showed up to take the tribe of Judah into captivity) combined their national God and the concept of the "great God", El, into one thing.

That's why the Torah is such a patchwork quilt of varying writing styles and stories, badly cut and pasted together-- they were literally clipped and reassembled into as cohesive a whole as could be managed.

You can learn about this in any serious course on theology and/or the history of the Bible... not to mention a plethora of books on the subject.

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19-11-2016, 10:15 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(17-11-2016 09:01 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I'm going to take a week off from writing for thanks giving. I will be back.

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19-11-2016, 10:23 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
He said don't eat the fruit so there is a restriction to this free will. So god did not make man to commit evil. Hell wasn't made for man but gods anger doesn't last forever there was no heavrn of heal in judiasm god doesn't judge the way we do his rightous judgement is a mystery but hes more compassionate than man. I take the whole bible literal.
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19-11-2016, 10:25 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 09:59 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 12:07 PM)socialistview Wrote:  God made us like him to choose and be free to do what we want not to be robots.

Funny, given how you seem to enjoy being the obedient little robot. The last thing I'd ever want to be is like the Christian god.

Quote:And no god tried to look for someone to beb crucified but nobody wanted to do it so god didb it himself to satisfy his anger from the world rebbelling.

Why is a blood sacrifice needed to satisfy his anger? That's a pretty disgusting concept. Add to that the idea that he looked for somebody willing to sacrifice themselves and we have a thoroughly immoral god.

It is always amusing watching Christians tie themselves in knots trying to excuse the truly abhorrent behavior of their imaginary friend.

I can just picture god going around door to door asking for a willing sacrifice.

"Hey, uh... you mind if I torture you? I know we just met, but I'm really fucking pissed at you all and it would really help me not hate all of humanity. No? Meh, ok... guess I'll go torture myself then."

What a stupid fucking story.
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