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19-11-2016, 10:29 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I take the whole bible literal.

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19-11-2016, 10:33 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  He said don't eat the fruit so there is a restriction to this free will. So god did not make man to commit evil. Hell wasn't made for man but gods anger doesn't last forever there was no heavrn of heal in judiasm god doesn't judge the way we do his rightous judgement is a mystery but hes more compassionate than man. I take the whole bible literal.

Socialistivew there is a time when we must admit that we are doing something wrong. If at 100 pages of discourse you have still not managed to sway anyone to your side of opinion, and if you are not willing to concede defeat in your beliefs at least then concede defeat in your approach.

I'm not even sure what it is that you hope now to gain from your discussion, you said earlier that you believe that everyone was wrong about the bible, but since then you've been quoting the bible, and you even now just said that you take the whole bible literally which would be saying that you don't think everyone was wrong, but that the bible is right and just atheists are wrong.

If you're going to try to prove the bible to most atheists using the bible as your main point of reference, you're going to have a very tough time. Mainly because atheists for one don't even believe in a god, so then your first approach should be trying to convince them of a god's (or goddess') existence.

If you're not trying to convince anyone here of anything then why the lengthy discussion?
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19-11-2016, 10:39 PM (This post was last modified: 19-11-2016 10:43 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 09:58 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I thought you said the canaans revered yahweh before the jews. They had time to repent. Jesus was the atonement for gods rightousness meaning in order to get devine intervention jesus is your only way becuase the world rebelled from god and wanted to go towards angels. And think about it god is good not evil atonement of sins.

You don't repent to the war god in a pantheon full of gods. You make sacrifices and offerings to him before battle, so that hopefully he will favor you and help you slaughter your enemies so that you emerge victorious.

In the Canaanite (and early Hebrew) pantheon, he was a single regional war god; not the universe creating omni-being of later Jewish monotheistic revisionism.

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19-11-2016, 10:56 PM (This post was last modified: 19-11-2016 11:03 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  He said don't eat the fruit so there is a restriction to this free will.

How so? He gave a command, and without any context, they ignored it. They used their free-will in a way that god hadn't anticipated (making him not all-knowing) or did so according to his plan, for which he then punished them (either for his own previous failure or as part of the original plan, making him malevolent).

The tree itself supposedly contained the Knowledge of Good and Evil. That means that before they ate the fruit, they didn't know that disobeying god was somehow 'bad'. If that were to happen today, we would call that 'entrapment', and it is patently illegal.


(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  So god did not make man to commit evil.

He created the world, created man, created evil, and then gave man the capacity to commit evil. He created everything, that means he is responsible. He could have made is incapable of evil, or impervious to suffering and harm, or otherwise immortal. He could have done all of these things to prevent the occurrence of evil in the first place, yet he didn't.

You don't get to make landmines, spread them out over a mine field, then place a toddler in the middle of it all. You do not get to act like the innocent party when the toddler you placed there inevitably blows itself up on your landmines in your minefield.

So which is more likely? That I am more imaginatively creative than the omni-max creator of the universe? Or that I am more imaginatively creative than the bronze age goat herders that created such fiction?


(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Hell wasn't made for man but gods anger doesn't last forever there was no heavrn of heal in judiasm god doesn't judge the way we do his rightous judgement is a mystery but hes more compassionate than man. I take the whole bible literal.

Bullshit.

The whole Bible literally? Nobody, not even the most hardcore Ultra-Orthodox Jews are out there stoning their daughter's on their doorsteps for not being virgins on their wedding night. It's impossible to take it literally, because the book is self-contradictory. What is the exact order of creation? Two different accounts of the same event are given. What is the exact lineage of Jesus? Once again, two different lineages with differing numbers of people are given. Are you saved by good works or faith alone? Yes and no, to both questions, depending on which passage you read.

To take the entire book literally would make you a schizophrenic psychopath, and we'd lock you up after you tried killing someone for blasphemy or wearing a poly-cotton blended shirt; or something else promoted in the Bible that is in modern civilized societies considered ridiculously stupid and illegal.

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19-11-2016, 11:01 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 10:56 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  To take the entire book literally would make you a schizophrenic psychopath...

This is what I’ve been trying to tell you all for several pages. Dodgy The boy ain’t right in the head.

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20-11-2016, 12:15 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 11:01 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 10:56 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  To take the entire book literally would make you a schizophrenic psychopath...

This is what I’ve been trying to tell you all for several pages. Dodgy The boy ain’t right in the head.

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(19-11-2016 11:01 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  The boy ain’t right in the head.

Reminds me of.....

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Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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20-11-2016, 12:36 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-11-2016 12:15 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 11:01 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  This is what I’ve been trying to tell you all for several pages. Dodgy The boy ain’t right in the head.

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(19-11-2016 11:01 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  The boy ain’t right in the head.

Reminds me of.....

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The best thing in any Legend of Zelda game is to rename the protagonist 'I Say' instead of using the default 'Link'. It turns every conversation into a Foghorn Leghorn skit.

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^ This one not only renamed Link to 'I say', but also renamed his horse to 'my boobs' instead of Epona. ^

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20-11-2016, 07:56 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  He said don't eat the fruit so there is a restriction to this free will.

Then it isn't free will. Your god is no different than the thug who points a gun and says "hand over the wallet, don't make me kill you". Technically, he's given you a choice but the reality is that you either do what you are told or you die. That's not a free choice.

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20-11-2016, 08:14 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  He said don't eat the fruit so there is a restriction to this free will. So god did not make man to commit evil. Hell wasn't made for man but gods anger doesn't last forever there was no heavrn of heal in judiasm god doesn't judge the way we do his rightous judgement is a mystery but hes more compassionate than man. I take the whole bible literal.

So animals were around before Eve, I suppose Adam could have fucked some sheep. God didn't say he couldn't fuck sheep, so Adam wouldn't have known any better.

Did Adam fuck sheep in the garden?

If not, why not?

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20-11-2016, 08:25 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-11-2016 08:14 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 10:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  He said don't eat the fruit so there is a restriction to this free will. So god did not make man to commit evil. Hell wasn't made for man but gods anger doesn't last forever there was no heavrn of heal in judiasm god doesn't judge the way we do his rightous judgement is a mystery but hes more compassionate than man. I take the whole bible literal.

So animals were around before Eve, I suppose Adam could have fucked some sheep. God didn't say he couldn't fuck sheep, so Adam wouldn't have known any better.

Did Adam fuck sheep in the garden?

If not, why not?

Laugh out load You're going to blow up the poor guy's head with questions like this one.

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