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18-10-2016, 02:17 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 01:59 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i cant find that scripture

Who are you replying to? If you'd "reply" instead of just making new posts it'd be a lot easier to follow. If you mean the bit about Egyptians and Jews being the same I doubt you will find it.

Quote:but proveBS READ 14:6 and see if thats not how things end up but this is from a wise man who recieved his wisdomfrom god.

It is a self-serving statement at best. Anybody can claim that they got their wisdom from a god but if they did you'd expect it to be more than what would be expected if they just made it up themselves. You have to be incredibly gullible (i.e. have faith) to take it at face value.

Quote:the greatest commandmentis love thy neighboras thy self

"thy neighbors" were fellow Jews, not everybody, and that's not one of the 613 commandments

Quote:god has always been three persons in one

Not officially until the council of nicea and still not according to some denominations. Maybe when you guys all agree on one story we can investigate it.

Quote:so when he speaks he says we,

or perhaps the early polytheistic traditions just didn't translate well

Quote: also the law was ment for multiple people during the time of adam there was no law so tell me what is this prior knowledge that god has not seen. and also the jews had connection with the highest god other books or religions are real

I don't follow whatever you were trying to say there. Try some actual sentences.

Quote:just the jews were entrusted with his exact words

Facepalm

Quote:while every other religion is passed down stories.

Free clue: so are judaism and christianity

I suggest you read some of Bart Ehrman's books on how the bible was put together. It would be an eye-opener if you looked at any of the actual scholarship instead of the fantasy version they preach from the pulpit.

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18-10-2016, 02:31 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2016 02:40 PM by socialistview.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
to unfogged ive read that in the bible before. god says lets make them in our own image. and read the good samaritan not a jew luke 10:25-37. and no the stories and words havent changed. the people like matthew wrote down what he said then fifty years later put it together.
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18-10-2016, 02:35 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 01:59 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i cant find that scripture but proveBS READ 14:6 and see if thats not how things end up but this is from a wise man who recieved his wisdomfrom god. the greatest commandmentis love thy neighboras thy self god has always been three persons in one so when he speaks he says we, also the law was ment for multiple people during the time of adam there was no law so tell me what is this prior knowledge that god has not seen. and also the jews had connection with the highest god other books or religions are real just the jews were entrusted with his exact words while every other religion is passed down storiesand ya you can play invoke angel and ask for something thats what they did back then.

You should really learn some things about who wrote the bible:









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18-10-2016, 02:40 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 02:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  to unfogged ive read that in the bible before. god says lets make them in our own image. and read the good samaritan not a jew luke 10:25-37. and no the stories and words havent changed.

Only Christians believe in the trinity. The scripture you're quoting ("let's make them in our own image") is Jewish. Maybe you should ask the Jews their interpretation of that passage. I guarantee it will have nothing to do with the Christian trinity.

The most common interpretation I've heard is that the Israelites were polytheists, and eventually came to recognize one God (among many) as their tribal God, and only later decided that this was the only God. The quoted passage comes from the early polytheistic era, and hence the "we/us" language.

Also: all of this, including the book of Genesis, was a story made up and written by ordinary men. There is absolutely no evidence that it's the "Word of God".
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18-10-2016, 02:47 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 02:35 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(18-10-2016 01:59 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i cant find that scripture but proveBS READ 14:6 and see if thats not how things end up but this is from a wise man who recieved his wisdomfrom god. the greatest commandmentis love thy neighboras thy self god has always been three persons in one so when he speaks he says we, also the law was ment for multiple people during the time of adam there was no law so tell me what is this prior knowledge that god has not seen. and also the jews had connection with the highest god other books or religions are real just the jews were entrusted with his exact words while every other religion is passed down storiesand ya you can play invoke angel and ask for something thats what they did back then.

You should really learn some things about who wrote the bible:









i cant see it tell me who wrote the bible and those deep secrets the bible has.
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18-10-2016, 02:58 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
jesus is the word and they believed in the holy spirit but how do we prove that god without using invokations which i advise you to try voodoo is orwait to see if the apocalypse happens .
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18-10-2016, 02:58 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 02:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  to unfogged ive read that in the bible before. god says lets make them in our own image. and read the good samaritan not a jew luke 10:25-37.

It all depends on your interpretation of the various stories. They are far from clear when you don't read them with the presupposition that they are all direct from god's mouth.

By the way, I'd much rather xians follow the 'love thy neighbor' part and ignore the 'bring any that do not believe and slay them before me' part but it's all cherry-picking and interpretation of a book from a bronze/iron-age culture that was wholly ignorant of how things actually work.

Quote:and no the stories and words havent changed. the people like matthew wrote down what he said then fifty years later put it together.

Sorry, you are just wrong. "Matthew" was a name assigned to the book long after the actual author was lost to history and it doesn't read like it was written by the purported author. The stories do differ between versions of the manuscripts and we do not have the originals to compare them to. Things were added and removed, especially as the doctrine changed over the first few hundred years of the church. Again, read some Bart Ehrman ("Misquoting Jesus" or "Jesus Interuppted") or Richard Friedman ("Who Wrote The Bible?"). They are very accessible authors that will very clearly show you just how much you have been lied to.

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18-10-2016, 03:00 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 02:47 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(18-10-2016 02:35 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  You should really learn some things about who wrote the bible:









i cant see it tell me who wrote the bible and those deep secrets the bible has.

Here's a book:

Who wrote the Bible?

The videos I posted are excellent and contain a lot of information, this is a subject that takes some time and study and acceptance of centuries of archeological discovery. It's a fascinating subject, if you are actually interested, start with that book, here's another excellent video, The Bible unearthed:




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18-10-2016, 03:10 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 02:58 PM)socialistview Wrote:  jesus is the word

Not until John some 50+ years after the supposed events. Stories grow as they are retold and if you read Mark, Matthew, Luke, & John in that order (which is the order they are generally believed to have been compiled) you will see that Jesus grows ever more magical as time goes by.

Quote:and they believed in the holy spirit

Early "Christians" had many beliefs. Marcionites believed that the old testament god was not the same as the new testament god; ebionites believed that Jesus was fully human; gnostic sects believed that Jesus was human but inhabited by a divine spirit; some sects believed Jesus was not human at all... the list goes on. It took hundreds of years for what is now the orthodox view to win out and it is still fractured between thousands of different denominations.

Quote:but how do we prove that god without using invokations which i advise you to try voodoo is orwait to see if the apocalypse happens .

That's your problem. You are the one claiming a god exists so you have the burden to demonstrate how you know that. I say that I don't see any good evidence that supports that conclusion and I'm not believing until I do.

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18-10-2016, 03:17 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(18-10-2016 02:58 PM)socialistview Wrote:  jesus is the word and they believed in the holy spirit but how do we prove that god without using invokations which i advise you to try voodoo is orwait to see if the apocalypse happens .

I can't even understand what you're saying here (or who you're replying to), let alone try to answer you. Correct grammar and punctuation, coherent sentences -- these things are your friends. It's hard to communicate without them.

Example: "they believed in the holy spirit" -- who is "they"? The writer(s) of Genesis? The Jews? The early Christians? We might be able to figure it out from context if you quoted the post that you're responding to, but just coming out of the blue with statements like this leaves us all guessing.
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