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19-10-2016, 10:25 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  a preacher once told me the old testament is mans way and the neww testament is gods way the jews wanted the king in the castle lifestyle not god.
How convenient. Except that the new testament only has meaning through the old testament.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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19-10-2016, 10:29 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 10:25 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  a preacher once told me the old testament is mans way and the neww testament is gods way the jews wanted the king in the castle lifestyle not god.
How convenient. Except that the new testament only has meaning through the old testament.

Also note that Jesus specifically says (in the New Testament) that he did not come to change "one iota" of the (Old Testament) law. You can't just disown the Old Testament (unless you want to disown the whole Bible -- now there's an idea!).
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19-10-2016, 10:32 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  our incest beliefs come from the bible and most of the morals we believe.

How do you know? By just believing what a preacher tells you?
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(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  a preacher once told me the old testament is mans way and the neww testament is gods way the jews wanted the king in the castle lifestyle not god.
And what makes you think that this preacher wasnt pulling this out of his ass? If you want to discard the OT, you have to discard all 6xx commandments too!

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19-10-2016, 11:03 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 10:02 AM)socialistview Wrote:  well thats what the website says

Well fuck me, it must be true. Are you seriously that gullible?

(19-10-2016 10:02 AM)socialistview Wrote:  thats what im getting from these websites and thats what the bible says.

So you are admitting that it is acceptable to commit acts of conquest, rape and genocide in the name of god.

When another religious group says the same thing, why are they wrong?

How can you say that ISIS is wrong, when they are claiming justification via the Word of God?

Kony and his child soldiers? How can you say they are wrong? He is following god's law?

Boko Haram is following the will of allah/god. Why are they wrong?

(19-10-2016 10:02 AM)socialistview Wrote:  this one you need to type in to see

I'll pass thanks. My stomach is still heaving from your last one.

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19-10-2016, 11:27 AM
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What's disturbing is why wouldn't the killing of infidels that is in Numbers give anyone pause about it's inherent moral message?

This message is EXACTLY the same as that of any modern terrorist organization. Is your justification of this- "It doesn't count because this is my god!" ?

Do you really want to defend this?

What kind of religion is it, that forces a person to defend this?

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19-10-2016, 11:34 AM
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So how do we tell who is evil or not? I want to be sure I'm raping and pillaging the right people, damnit!
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19-10-2016, 11:44 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  our incest beliefs come from the bible and most of the morals we believe.

If your get your morals from the bible I feel sorry for you. I get mine from empathy and from a rational consideration of what helps have a more enjoyable life for everybody.

Quote:and god made man good men just want to be evil.

bullshit; most people do not go around trying to be evil and, according to your fairy tale, your god created everybody and everything so if there is a tendency to be evil guess where it came from? Christian theology is self-contradictory.

Quote:a preacher once told me the old testament is mans way and the neww testament is gods way the jews wanted the king in the castle lifestyle not god.

What evidence did he present to support those claims? Preachers say all sorts of things and have many different motivations behind what they say. They aren't automatically fountains of truth and wisdom and most have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth and stopping you from questioning. Stop being such a gullible fool and think for yourself for a change. Read the bible stories and think about what they are actually saying and not what you've been told they mean. Read about how and when the bible storied were written, edited, and compiled. Don't accept anybody's individual word for anything -- look at all the evidence and decide for yourself.

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19-10-2016, 12:05 PM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2016 03:01 PM by Commonsensei.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Social. You're have'n a guy with dyslexia editing your posts.

With no puniaction it's like you're standing there and spouting this out in one breath with no tone.

Porper names and the start of every sentence needs to be capitalized. Periods and colleens need to be used, otherwise it's a run-on sentence.

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  It didn't have to go by bloodshed. God would have brought Isreal back together. But the bible says when they killed Jesus,

It didn't? Wasn't that the whole purpose of the sacrifice? Was God/Jesus unable to foresee the outcome? Was God/Jesus powerless to stop a few mere mortals? Surely the god that makes the rules has within it's power to adjust them? Surely a god that creates things with mere thought could have created something that would have demonstrated the error of their ways?

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  the Jews rebelled from god giving the gentiles grace.

So "Gods" master plan was make Jews the chosen people. Then time and time again over the coarse of 4,000 years find out he made a bad choice. So to correct this made himself, his own kid. Waited till he was in his late 20's to start showing off his ability's. Get punished for all the shit he was starting with the Rabbies. Go to trial then get tortured. But jokes on them it's what he wanted! To "Sacrifice" himself for all men's sin's. Just so he could forgive all the people that didn't even know he existed, for the sin's they didn't even know they committed? Because he didn't tell anyone else except the Jews for 4,000 years.

Then wait. Wait 300+ years for a Constantine the Great to accept the cult that stemmed from his death. Wait for Constantine to make Christianity an official religion of Rome. Wait another 100 or so years for a pagan army to mow down the western portion. So that they remaining people that live in complete ignorance have only there faith to rely on. After the dark ages (500 years) filled with constant chaos, war, and desieses. Rebuild western Europe in his image. Publish a book (1455 C.E.). Included all the shit he did with the Jews.

Flash forward 1500+ years to today. Nearly 6000 years since this whole mess started. Billions of people die of years of desises, blood shed and war. 2000 years to prove that his book was is the best method. Only to say whelp that doesn't really applie?

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Which it says in the old testament that the world rebelled and wanted to follow the angels the reason why only Jews received grace through Abraham, because he was the only one who wanted to follow god.


This sentence doesn't make any sense.

The world rebelled and wanted to follow the angels?

I admit Abraham could have been a cult leader. I know you would never do it. Since "Weading is hawd." But look into ancient Sumerian gods. Pay close attention to El. El is a god in a pathion of gods. In the cannint relgion he was know as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim. A small cult is formed around him. Later his name was changed to Yahweh. It's a good chance Abraham was a member of this cult.

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  but sacrifice is how he does it.

You just said the Jews killed Jesus. Was it a sacrifice or murder?

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  He tried to find somebody to do it but nobody wanted to ...

The christian god is often described as being omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. Wouldn't one of those abilites come in handy in this situation?
He could have made someone be born that would have wanted to do it?
He could have seen someone that would wanted to do it?
He could have known every person in every scenario, every thought that passed threw every persons head well before they were even born. AND not ONE he could have convinced?

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  .. so he sent himself to establish a new covenant.

Well if you want a job done right. This just sounds like poor planing to me. One would think that something with the quilitys that are often described would have the foresight to figure this shit out the first time.

And it popular rebuttle is Well he would have but man has free will.

Which always sounds like a endding of Scooby-doo. "OooO I would have gotten away with it too if it was for the kids and damn dog." Dude you're plan was to dress up in bed sheets and swing from ropes. Eventually the police would have been called in.

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Cant you understand that the fulfillment of the law was what Jesus was trying to portray?


I don't even know what you're trying to portray.

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Instead of stoning there's forgiveness god the father accepting this himself.

This sentence doesn't make any sense to me.

Are you trying to say "Instead of everyone getting stone to death, Jesus got himself stabbed because...Sin?


(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Now trying to give evidence for a god that's not presently here is a dead end road.

I think what you ment to say was "Now trying to give evidence for go is a dead end road." Or "I presently can't show evidence for a god."

Well presently or ever.

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  If you want to have supernatural experiences you have to be a believer.

So when this thought is applied to the stores as depicted in the bible dose that ring true? Was Moses a believer before he met god as a bush? Was Saul a believer before he fell of his horse and bumped his head to see Jesus flying in the sky?

What of the other people that claim to have supernatural experiences that don't adhere to your belief system? If a Hindu has a supernatural experience with on of the many goddess that are in that religion dose that make that person god more real then yours?

What is supernatural?
Wouldn't an event that happened in this world just be a natural occurrence?

(19-10-2016 06:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God only goes to believers, miracles follow the believer, and it's a leap of faith to believe that Jesus rose again and God does this because as he says you'll not be faithful to him and follow anything that shows up doing miracles.

What do you think a miracle is?
How would I know one when I see one?

I was a believer for 29 years. Opened my heart and mind to Jesus and God. As well as any gods that wanted to make themselves known to me. No godly visitations. No supernatural occurrences. No miracles.

And funny enough I even plead to "god" on numerous occasions for guidance.

What I did find is was what the word...shit i can't remember. When you look for things, and attributed it to something else.

Like if you think about a love one and the phone rings and it's them. You don't think about the 100+ times that you've thought about that loved one and they didn't call. But that one or two times it did happen it's amazing.

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19-10-2016, 12:21 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  our incest beliefs come from the bible and most of the morals we believe. and god made man good men just want to be evil. a preacher once told me the old testament is mans way and the neww testament is gods way the jews wanted the king in the castle lifestyle not god.

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19-10-2016, 12:31 PM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2016 12:42 PM by Commonsensei.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  our incest beliefs come from the bible and most of the morals we believe.


Editing this is a head ache.

So your incest belief comes from the bible? So you're pro incest?

According to the story.
Adam and Eve. Eventually had a bunch of boys. Who do you think they had sex with to make more humans?

After God flooded the planet. And it was just His wife and kids left? How did they repopulate the planet?

Lot and his daughters? After knocking back a few drinks.

If you get you're morals from the bible I wouldn't want to be any were in your fascinate. I could wear a mixed fabirc shirt and you would stone me once my back was turned.

It also doesn't condemn slavery. Condemn's a shit load of things like pork and shellfish. Where you can put dick. What you can think about, what you can't think about. Were to build, where not to build. But no were that you shouldn't force another human being to do your will? No were. Tells you how to treat them, if they sass-mouth you or how hard you can beat them. But nothing about them being your possession.

(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  and god made man good men just want to be evil.

If I built a computer. Put all the parts together. Thing works great. Fast graphics, large storage capacity, tons of memory. And the ability to blow up randomly.

I give it to a young kid and the thing blows up.

Would it have been smarter of me not to make it able to blow up?
Or should I blame the computer for being able to blow up?

(19-10-2016 10:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  a preacher once told me the old testament is mans way and the new testament is gods way the jews wanted the king in the castle lifestyle not god.

Ok so why dose the new testament keep referring back to the old testament?
You realize the old testament has the commandments in it right?
How dose one distinguish the parts that applie and the one that don't?

I'm also not surprised that your preacher would have said something like that. It's your flavor of religion. If you were jewish your Rabbi may have told you the New Testament is hog wash.

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