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19-10-2016, 03:26 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
thou shalt not kill. i dont accept it but i gave you deuteronomy 7 to see why god says kill everbody
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19-10-2016, 03:29 PM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2016 03:42 PM by Commonsensei.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 03:16 PM)socialistview Wrote:  do you defend abortion. tell me were else does it say that to kill everybody. and we do keep a close watch on them but you guys have to get over that and see what jesus god himself showed.

I'm pro-choice. So I leave that up to the induvidual. And being a man I don't feel I will ever have to make that disstion. But if I was a woman, and was put into a situation that I needed to make to bear the child or not. I probably would keep it. But that's just me.

According to the bible thou. God just loves aborting babies.

It doesn't consider a fetus a human life.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

Or even after they were born.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Because babies aren't people.

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

God approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17


Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16


Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

God even kill babies to get back at talking bad about him.

Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14

And unfaithful wives.

The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
-- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

Sometimes they even kill the mother and the baby at the same time.

Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

So I think the question falls back to you? Do you defend abortion?

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19-10-2016, 03:32 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 03:16 PM)socialistview Wrote:  do you defend abortion. tell me were else does it say that to kill everybody. and we do keep a close watch on them but you guys have to get over that and see what jesus god himself showed.

1. I have mixed feelings about abortion. I see no problem in aborting a couple of cells immediately after conception. If you wait longer than that, it becomes problematic, the more so the longer you wait.

2. Why don't you read the Bible yourself and find out all the places where God orders genocide (or commits it himself!)? I guarantee it's more than once. Babies and animals and women are not highly valued by the writers of the Bible. To say it only happened once is like me saying I read Robinson Crusoe and he was only stranded on the island for one day, or I read The Stand (Stephen King) and only one person died. Anyone who actually read those books would know that I was lying. I have actually read the Bible, and God commits or orders genocide a lot more than once. It happens so many times that I can't remember all the specific instances -- but they're easy to find if you read the Bible.

3. I don't care what "jesus god" showed. The God of the Old Testament is an immoral monster, and Jesus is only marginally better -- he condemns people to eternal torture (Hell) simply for not believing in him. What a petulant asshole he was.
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19-10-2016, 03:42 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
god said equal counterpart women are very highly regarded in the bible and a baby can feel pain in a matter of weeks, im pro contraceptive. and no it saying if the baby dies the man dies only once genocide from my reading with exception of sodom and no abortion.
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19-10-2016, 03:50 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 03:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  god said equal counterpart women are very highly regarded in the bible and a baby can feel pain in a matter of weeks, im pro contraceptive. and no it saying if the baby dies the man dies only once genocide from my reading with exception of sodom and no abortion.

The flood = genocide

Sodom and Gomorrah = genocide on a smaller scale

God killing every first-born in Egypt -- maybe not genocide, but pretty nasty anyway

God wiping out the entire Egyptian army in the Red Sea -- also pretty nasty

God commanding the Israelites to commit genocide -- more times than I can remember.

And "Women are very highly regarded in the Bible"? You've got to be kidding. You didn't read the same Bible I did (or you didn't read it at all). In the Bible women are at best valued as property. They are on the same level as slaves. Read the extensive genealogies in Genesis and Chronicles. Men had bunches and bunches of sons, but apparently no daughters, and apparently without the help of wives. You will find only a tiny handful of women's names among all the genealogies in the Bible. They simply weren't important in that culture. Only men mattered.
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19-10-2016, 03:58 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 03:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  god said equal counterpart women are very highly regarded in the bible.

Pick a chapter. I'll show you,how you're misinformed. The list to counter this is to long.

Think Jesus spoke highly of women think again. He even bad mouths his mother.

Luke 11:27 - 28
11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.


Translation:
So Jesus said "So this certain woman *wink, wink* raised her voice to me and said "You're lucky I brought you into this world and feed you!" And I said "Yea,well you're lucky to just to talk to me."

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19-10-2016, 04:05 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 03:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  god said equal counterpart women are very highly regarded in the bible

Facepalm
Women are property to be bought and sold. Even the "10 commandments" lumps them with cattle. It was an extremely mysogynistic culture.

Quote:and a baby can feel pain in a matter of weeks,

A fetus is not the same thing as a baby and the best estimate for feeling pain (which requires brain development) is somewhere nearing 27 weeks.

Quote:im pro contraceptive.

How very liberal of you.

Quote:and no it saying if the baby dies the man dies

I have no clue at all what you tried to say there. I thought I was getting good at parsing your posts but that one just makes no sense at all. You might try using actual sentences.

Quote:only once genocide from my reading with exception of sodom and no abortion.

Only once with an exception? Does that make it twice? You count sodom but not the flood as genocide? God ordered the amalekites wiped out more than once (apparently the Hebrews weren't very good at it). He orders the destruction of the Canaanites. He ordered death for the least infraction of the rules (like picking up sticks on the sabbath). The god you revere is a psychopath. Luckily there's no good reason to believe it exists or the only moral response would be to refuse to serve it.

As far as abortion goes, god orders it.
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16
Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14
Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16

Exodus 21 makes it clear that an unborn child has limited value:
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

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19-10-2016, 04:21 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
jesus spoke very highly of women especially him think of all the women there were deborah ruth naiomi mary they even had a woman as queen if you read outside excerpts the whole about property was built upon inheritance had to know who child was whos read proverbs 31 a women was had control over the household she could buy sell and everything something a slave cant do. and god killing was moral people were evil during the flood and half angel half human hybrids were ravaging the land, sodom and gommorrah evil too they were abusive and uncaring to the poor and disadvantage. the isrealites were enslaved, and pharoah was going to kill them. where else lets see jeremiah.
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19-10-2016, 04:34 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 04:21 PM)socialistview Wrote:  jesus spoke very highly of women especially him think of all the women there were deborah ruth naiomi mary they even had a woman as queen if you read outside excerpts the whole about property was built upon inheritance had to know who child was whos read proverbs 31 a women was had control over the household she could buy sell and everything something a slave cant do. and god killing was moral people were evil during the flood and half angel half human hybrids were ravaging the land, sodom and gommorrah evil too they were abusive and uncaring to the poor and disadvantage. the isrealites were enslaved, and pharoah was going to kill them. where else lets see jeremiah.

I'm not even going to try to make sense of your big run-on sentence with no semblance of grammar or punctuation. But I did manage to catch a few things.

People were evil during the flood? Really? Even the babies? What about the animals? They all died too, you know.

If you actually bother to read Exodus, Pharoah was going to let the Israelites go several times, but God kept "hardening his heart" so that he could show off some more and heap some more punishment on the Egyptians -- all of them, not just the Pharoah. Read about the 10 plagues -- all of the Egyptian livestock were killed (several times -- now that's a miracle! God killed them all, and then he killed them all again), and then all the firstborn were killed (again including animals -- what the fuck did they ever do to the Israelites?). God was a perfect asshole. He was many times more evil than any of the people.
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19-10-2016, 04:42 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 04:21 PM)socialistview Wrote:  jesus spoke very highly of women

Where? He certainly treated his mother like shit.

Quote:especially him think of all the women there were deborah ruth naiomi mary they even had a woman as queen

There were respected women but the vast majority had no rights.

Quote: if you read outside excerpts the whole about property was built upon inheritance had to know who child was whos read proverbs 31 a women was had control over the household she could buy sell and everything something a slave cant do.[quote]

The point is that the women themselves were property. Trying to justify that by saying that the men had to know who's child was who is just more attempt to plaster over a completely immoral system.

[quote]and god killing was moral people were evil during the flood and half angel half human hybrids were ravaging the land, sodom and gommorrah evil too they were abusive and uncaring to the poor and disadvantage.

I love how Christians are so eager to justify slaughter in the name of their god. Free clue: the flood never happened so the story is nonsense. Another free clue: god killing people is not moral, it is "might makes right". You have not only abandoned reason, you have abandoned any sense of morality are are eager to suck up to a psychotic monster just so you don't have to think for yourself.

Quote: the isrealites were enslaved, and pharoah was going to kill them. where else lets see jeremiah.

The enslavement and exodus are more mythology. There was no mass enslavement of Jews and no exodus but let's look at the story... why were the Jews in Egypt? Because god arranged a famine and drove Joseph and his kin from Canaan into Egypt and essentially arranged for them to be enslaved there. Then, when he'd had enough he started showing off to get the released and the pharoah agreed to let them go. Your "loving" god then "hardened pharoah's heart" so that he could show off some more and kill all the first-born children. That means that many completely innocent children were slaughtered for no reason other than to satisfy the blood lust of your maniacal god. By the way, why did the Jews have to put blood on their doors? Didn't god and his angels know who was who? Isn't he all-knowing? It's a stupid story with so many plot holes you could use it as a sieve.

The bible is the record of one failure after another of this god character to achieve his goals mixed with a record of repeated atrocities. And you worship this monster. That's the truly amazing part.

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