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19-10-2016, 04:42 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
they had to live by the rules specifically in order for devine intervention and theres no abortion in the bible if the baby dies the man gets stoned. but the laws was for extremities. and the can feel in three weeks i recall brain development is not 27 weeks
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19-10-2016, 04:48 PM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2016 05:16 PM by unfogged.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 04:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  they had to live by the rules specifically in order for devine intervention and theres no abortion in the bible if the baby dies the man gets stoned.

Did you not read the passage I quoted. If the baby dies the father decides the punishment. If the mother is harmed then the automatic punishment kicks in.

Quote:but the laws was for extremities.

huh?

Quote:and the can feel in three weeks i recall brain development is not 27 weeks

Please provide a citation for that. One from a reputable source and not an apologetics website.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a-...-20-weeks/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_perception

I see some sites that argue for as early as 20 weeks but no reputable site claims three weeks. That's just a lie.

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19-10-2016, 05:02 PM
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(19-10-2016 03:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  god said equal counterpart women are very highly regarded in the bible ...

Oh?

SAB: Misogyny in the Bible

Admit that you have not read the bible or admit that you are lying.

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19-10-2016, 05:05 PM
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(19-10-2016 02:22 PM)socialistview Wrote:  read this now can you get over that becuase god only did that once and it was morally correct to do face it.
facultyblog.eternitybiblecollege.com/.../did-god-command-joshua-to-slaughter-babies/

Oh so it was only the once! Absolutely amazing. You come here to lecture us about God wanting us all to be good, compassionate and virtuous and here you are saying that it was right to murder whole villages and rape the young virgins and that we should just get over it. I think you should go get your pastor or preacher or whatever you call him to come. We need to speak to who is filling your head full of this nonsense. And please make sure it is someone capable of writing coherent sentences. Really, unless you are 11 years old your writing skills are seriously unsatisfactory. You should really work on that. You could start by using a period every now and then to separate your sentences.

Here is a fact. I have a moral code that is far superior to anything to be found in the story book titled The Holy Bible. Now run find this person who has taught you because he has sold you a bill of goods.

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19-10-2016, 05:07 PM
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(19-10-2016 04:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  theres no abortion in the bible...

Numbers 5: Bitter Waters

Abortion in the bible

Admit that you have not read the bible or admit that you are lying.


(19-10-2016 04:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i recall brain development is not 27 weeks

Let us know when yours develops. Thumbsup

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19-10-2016, 05:23 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
I'm rather enjoying watching these arguments just bounce off this guy. His belief is impervious to reason. It's right in front of him, and he can't see it.

Instead, he tries to justify, to make excuses (which wind up being just as bad as the psychopathic actions of his deity), and to do anything in his power to avoid responsibility for giving his worship to a being which under any circumstances justifies slavery, genocide, and/or retaliatory suffering.

Ever. Not even once is okay. And it's all spelled out in your own scriptures.

Face it: you worship a monster of human creation.

Even your salvation plan is based on the same "might makes right" idea, since your God is the one who (according to your story) created heaven and hell and earth, then tells us (through intermediaries, of course) that we must not do the following things he doesn't like, or he'll just have to send us to the place he made for burning people eternally, instead of simply letting us die like all the other animals do, or simply forgiving us anyway for being fallible creatures.

Nope! It's obey the commands of the priests (er, God) or else torture.

You worship a monster. Sorry that this is news to you. Try reading your Bible without the rose-colored glasses on.

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19-10-2016, 05:26 PM
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(18-10-2016 09:50 AM)socialistview Wrote:  i find the bible to be true you just have to read it and the truth will set you free and its all about having faith that jesus died and rose again to be the first to recieve eternal life. read 2 timothy 3 theres alot about the time of the apocalypse, gods promise does not come back void. and the fundamentals is to care for one another the law was made so we can be aware of the effects we have on others and thing.

I might actually read your posts when you make some effort at spelling and punctuation. Drinking Beverage

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19-10-2016, 05:32 PM
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I'm still just sitting here, baffled, at the "God only ordered genocide once" justification attempt, slack-jawed.

At the risk of violating Godwin's Law, I'm going to go ahead and point out that Hitler only ordered genocide once, as well.

So whew! He's off the hook.

That's a good thing, too, since a skinhead guy I know once told me he "actually had a lot of good ideas".

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19-10-2016, 05:52 PM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2016 05:55 PM by TheInquisition.)
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This thread basically encapsulates what many of us former Christians went through. We read these things in the bible, ran to these apologist websites to explain our discomfort with these scriptures. We weighed the apologists arguments and still found them lacking, we eventually walked away from these religions because of this, all while the apologists were still yammering away inside their churches trying to convince people how good=genocide because anyone can justify anything, but most of us here crossed this bridge a long time ago, we understand what bad and good should mean and this god wasn't good.

You cannot describe a being as good when it advocates and uses genocide and torture as a means towards some end. This is a god concept so monstrous, it forces any rational person to pause and say - there is no way this god is anything but a man-made invention, for only men, barbaric men, can create something like this.

We honestly searched for this ineffable god and instead found a chamber of horrors with people telling us that it was really beautiful. We knew we had been lied to.

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19-10-2016, 06:41 PM
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(19-10-2016 05:52 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  This thread basically encapsulates what many of us former Christians went through. We read these things in the bible, ran to these apologist websites to explain our discomfort with these scriptures. We weighed the apologists arguments and still found them lacking, we eventually walked away from these religions because of this, all while the apologists were still yammering away inside their churches trying to convince people how good=genocide because anyone can justify anything, but most of us here crossed this bridge a long time ago, we understand what bad and good should mean and this god wasn't good.

You cannot describe a being as good when it advocates and uses genocide and torture as a means towards some end. This is a god concept so monstrous, it forces any rational person to pause and say - there is no way this god is anything but a man-made invention, for only men, barbaric men, can create something like this.

We honestly searched for this ineffable god and instead found a chamber of horrors with people telling us that it was really beautiful. We knew we had been lied to.

QFT.

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