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19-10-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
SV - Here is an example of why believing that "When a god does it, it's ok" is a really bad thing.

These may seem like three different examples, but they aren't.
The only difference in each example is what YOU believe, not what the serial killer is.

You are in a room with a serial killer who is about to kill you and you have one chance to escape harm.
You believe the serial killer is a human being.
You take your one chance and you escape. You are not killed.

You are in a room with a serial killer who you believe has been possessed by a demon, who is about to kill you and you have one chance to escape harm.
You take your one chance and you escape. You are not killed.

You are in a room with a serial killer who you believe has been possessed by your god, who is about to kill you and you have one chance to escape harm.
You stand your ground and accept this death as your god's will.
You do not try to escape. You are killed.


The stark Reality is.....
In each scenario are in a room with a serial killer who is about to kill you and you have one chance to escape harm.

In your head, if you believe this person has been possessed by your god, you give up on living. You suppress your fight or flight response.
You accept it and this action on a large scale can lead to atrocities by good people who can't see the harm that religion can inflict, not only upon others, but upon themselves.

Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
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19-10-2016, 08:35 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(14-10-2016 11:46 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Hey im christian but i believe both athiest and christians are wrong about the bible. I believe the bible is a book similar to budism but its fundamentals start with having rules. I believe in the end all god wants you do be is a virtuous compassionate giving person.
(19-10-2016 07:43 AM)socialistview Wrote:  your taking it out of context god was letting the isrealites take vengeance on there enemies.

First of all, you're not going to put this in a context that isn't horrible. Secondly, these two still don't jive. Compassion and vengeance are not compatible. You're going to have to pick one stance or the other. Is the Abrahamic god one who mandates violent bloodshed or one who demands compassion and forgiveness?
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20-10-2016, 01:34 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 08:35 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(14-10-2016 11:46 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Hey im christian but i believe both athiest and christians are wrong about the bible. I believe the bible is a book similar to budism but its fundamentals start with having rules. I believe in the end all god wants you do be is a virtuous compassionate giving person.
(19-10-2016 07:43 AM)socialistview Wrote:  your taking it out of context god was letting the isrealites take vengeance on there enemies.

First of all, you're not going to put this in a context that isn't horrible. Secondly, these two still don't jive. Compassion and vengeance are not compatible. You're going to have to pick one stance or the other. Is the Abrahamic god one who mandates violent bloodshed or one who demands compassion and forgiveness?

"There is only one God, and we are God's Chosen People. God favors us.

Our God tells us we get to take vengeance on our enemies and still be Holy.

Our God tells us we can kill all your men and non-virgin women, and take the virgins for ourselves, and call it doing them a favor, and still be Holy.

Our God says we can kill you just for worshiping your gods in our cities.

Our God says we can buy slaves if the people we're buying come from the lands around us, and give them to our children to inherit as a permanent possession, but that our fellow countrymen must not be held except as temporary indentured servants.

Our God says that your land is our Holy Land, and we're okay to slaughter you to take it from you.

We swear we're not just making this up!"

Rolleyes

(And God, in His Infinite Wisdom, put the Holy Land in the one place in the entire Middle East that doesn't have any oil.)

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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20-10-2016, 07:25 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 01:34 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  (And God, in His Infinite Wisdom, put the Holy Land in the one place in the entire Middle East that doesn't have any oil.)

But it has milk and honey! Checkmate, atheists!
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20-10-2016, 07:46 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 07:25 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(20-10-2016 01:34 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  (And God, in His Infinite Wisdom, put the Holy Land in the one place in the entire Middle East that doesn't have any oil.)

But it has milk and honey! Checkmate, atheists!

And locusts.
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Oh. Sorry...

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20-10-2016, 07:48 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 07:46 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(20-10-2016 07:25 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  But it has milk and honey! Checkmate, atheists!

And locusts.
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Oh. Sorry...

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No need to be sorry -- you can eat locusts! John the Baptist lived on them (along with some "wild honey"). And who knows -- they might be yummy.
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20-10-2016, 08:55 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 04:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  they had to live by the rules specifically in order for devine intervention and theres no abortion in the bible if the baby dies the man gets stoned.

Did you not read the passage I sighted only one page back?

(19-10-2016 04:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  but the laws was for extremities.

By that statment it's obvious you've never read the bible. Only repeating what you've been told.

(19-10-2016 04:42 PM)socialistview Wrote:  and the can feel in three weeks i recall brain development is not 27 weeks

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You recall?

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How do you feel a babies brain development in in three weeks?

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20-10-2016, 12:27 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
the people were evil like hitler for example, god said not to rape and pillage and in other passages god said keep the women and children alive. your just trying to descredit god becuase you want to be hypocritical and want to see a god that makes everything a happy story without any actual antagonist involved. do you know how things work god said to job mabe theres a way things have to go in order to have the best outcome with intelligent creatures who have free will or in his likeness. god says in the new testament vengence is his and it says in romans 2 that you can understand a moral code without the bible. pharoah was already going to do that so god could show that he is the god of all gods by letting the egyptians use there magical practices and rituals for there gods to no avail, and it also says god can do what ever he wants but he doesnt and makes sure that the good live long lives, read job starting at chapter 32 to the end it explains the reason for suffering and turmoil.
and jesus took women very highly
https://bible.org/article/christianity-b...ened-women
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20-10-2016, 12:41 PM
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(20-10-2016 12:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  the people were evil like hitler for example, god said not to rape and pillage and in other passages god said keep the women and children alive. your just trying to descredit god becuase you want to be hypocritical and want to see a god that makes everything a happy story without any actual antagonist involved. do you know how things work god said to job mabe theres a way things have to go in order to have the best outcome with intelligent creatures who have free will or in his likeness. god says in the new testament vengence is his and it says in romans 2 that you can understand a moral code without the bible. pharoah was already going to do that so god could show that he is the god of all gods by letting the egyptians use there magical practices and rituals for there gods to no avail, and it also says god can do what ever he wants but he doesnt and makes sure that the good live long lives, read job starting at chapter 32 to the end it explains the reason for suffering and turmoil.
and jesus took women very highly
https://bible.org/article/christianity-b...ened-women

It's clear that you have a very poor knowledge of the bible, all of your responses are trite apologism, interspersed within half-written psuedo-sentences with minimal legibility.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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20-10-2016, 12:43 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 12:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  the people were evil like hitler for example, god said not to rape and pillage and in other passages god said keep the women and children alive.

At the end of WWII, Josef Stalin not only kept the children and women alive, but also german men, even some prisoners of war, and sent back the last ones in less than ten years after the war.
Thats the difference between Stalin and your god. Must be depressing when Josef Stalin is morally superior to you and your god. Drinking Beverage

Ill leave it to others now to demonstrate you (with verses) that god did command rape and genocide, and what purpose was behind keeping the women and children alive.

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