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20-10-2016, 12:57 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 12:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  ...pharoah was already going to do that...

Sorry, but the Bible contradicts you. Pharoah was going to let the Israelites go -- several times -- and each time God deliberately "hardened his (Pharoah's) heart" so that he would change his mind and not let them go. God himself says this. God interfered with Pharoah's free will so that he (God) could show off some more with more plagues. Have you ever read a single word of your fucking Bible?
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20-10-2016, 01:02 PM (This post was last modified: 20-10-2016 01:11 PM by unfogged.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 12:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  the people were evil like hitler for example

So should the allies have wiped out all of the Germans, including the children? Should the soldiers have been allowed to keep the virgin women for themselves?

Saying "the people were evil" to make it so they deserved being slaughtered is such an absurd claim that I do not understand how anybody could lower themselves to that level.

Quote:god said not to rape and pillage

Where?

Quote:and in other passages god said keep the women and children alive.

He said to kill the boys and keep the virgin girls. You don't get to spin that as sparing children.

Quote:your just trying to descredit god becuase you want to be hypocritical and want to see a god that makes everything a happy story without any actual antagonist involved.

We do not need to try to discredit the god character; the bible does that quite thoroughly if you stop making excuses for the barbarity of it all.

As for wanting a happy story with no actual antagonist.... please explain why that is a bad thing. Why is an antagonist needed? Why is it necessary for people to suffer? If I were in charge I thik I could come up with a better system in my sleep.

Quote: do you know how things work god said to job mabe theres a way things have to go in order to have the best outcome with intelligent creatures who have free will or in his likeness.

Bullshit.

Quote:god says in the new testament vengence is his and it says in romans 2 that you can understand a moral code without the bible.

"Vengeance" is not an admirable trait. Did you really mean to say that you can understand moral codes without the bible? If so, I think we agree. Where we disagree is that I don't see how you can understand moral codes WITH the bible except as an example of how not to create one.

Quote:pharoah was already going to do that so god could show that he is the god of all gods

Why would a god need to "show off"? Is he that petty and childish?

Quote:by letting the egyptians use there magical practices and rituals for there gods to no avail,

The Egyptians did not and do not have "magical practices" and their other gods are just as imaginary as yours.

Quote:and it also says god can do what ever he wants but he doesnt

It doesn't seem like he restrains himself all that much... wiping out cities and whole civilizations whenever he gets irritated by his creation not living up to his standards.

That, by the way, invalidates the whole "free will" argument. Saying that people have free will but if they make the wrong decisions they will be destroyed or, worse, tortured forever, is not granting free will. That's just another nonsense apologetic that falls apart as soon as you really look at it.

Quote:and makes sure that the good live long lives,

So you are saying that anybody that dies young is not good? That is an utterly despicable claim, even for a Christian.

Quote: read job starting at chapter 32 to the end it explains the reason for suffering and turmoil.

Job? Where god places a bet with satan and uses a family of people as playthings to prove his point? All Job shows is that your god is a complete asshole.

Quote:and jesus took women very highly
https://bible.org/article/christianity-b...ened-women

The new testament decrees taht women are subservient to men, that they can never have authority over men or teach men. It places them squarely in second-class status. It is immoral, unethical, and barbaric. You should be ashamed of the claims it makes and embarrassed that you believe any of it.

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20-10-2016, 01:09 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(19-10-2016 05:52 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  You cannot describe a being as good when it advocates and uses genocide and torture as a means towards some end. This is a god concept so monstrous, it forces any rational person to pause and say - there is no way this god is anything but a man-made invention, for only men, barbaric men, can create something like this.

And yet believers do describe their imaginary friend fiend as good, and use the word "just" to weasel out of trying to explain the unthinkable atrocities attributed to their god in the Bible.

Moral cowards, the lot of 'em! They make the most pathetic excuses to wave away the contradiction of a "loving" god that drowns planets, commands genocides and allows a hell to exist, and their scripture-addled brains seem to be incapable of understanding that all they have to do to resolve the contradiction is to put the Bible aside and imagine a saner, better-behaved god.
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20-10-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 12:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  read job starting at chapter 32 to the end it explains the reason for suffering and turmoil.

Bullshit. Read it yourself -- it does no such thing. It basically says "Don't question me, little man. I own this town. I do what I want." It doesn't "explain" anything.
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20-10-2016, 02:28 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...s+31:15-17
theology says pharoah was already going to do that. the devil had free will just as much as man. i think its fair that god is only allowing the remanet of the jews to be saved moses barely made it to heaven. i dont think it was gods i think it was mans descision to kill all of them as i put the angel of the lord didnt agree with either the jew nor the caananites. you just think that its all esay but i think jesus showing us to feed the poor and helping the disadvantage shows us how things should be. god himself didnt do any of that stuff.
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20-10-2016, 02:43 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 02:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i think its fair...

You advocated the killing of innocent children earlier in this thread (amongst many other atrocities). I bet noone gives a shit anymore what you think is fair or not fair.

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20-10-2016, 02:45 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 02:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...s+31:15-17
theology says pharoah was already going to do that. the devil had free will just as much as man. i think its fair that god is only allowing the remanet of the jews to be saved moses barely made it to heaven. i dont think it was gods i think it was mans descision to kill all of them as i put the angel of the lord didnt agree with either the jew nor the caananites. you just think that its all esay but i think jesus showing us to feed the poor and helping the disadvantage shows us how things should be. god himself didnt do any of that stuff.

Your book says otherwise. God hardened the pharoah's heart after he decided to relent and your god committed or commanded multiple atrocities throughout the bible. You can think anything you like but you are going against the plain text in the book.

Why don't you back up and provide some shred of evidence that this god actually exists? I have found none.

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20-10-2016, 02:50 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 02:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...s+31:15-17
theology says pharoah was already going to do that. the devil had free will just as much as man. i think its fair that god is only allowing the remanet of the jews to be saved moses barely made it to heaven. i dont think it was gods i think it was mans descision to kill all of them as i put the angel of the lord didnt agree with either the jew nor the caananites. you just think that its all esay but i think jesus showing us to feed the poor and helping the disadvantage shows us how things should be. god himself didnt do any of that stuff.

I don't give a fuck what "theology" (Bucky Ball aptly calls it "the stupid science") says. Read what the fucking Bible itself says. That particular passage is not the least bit ambiguous. Pharoah was going to let them go until God "hardened his heart". Period. There's no way you can spin that to let God off the hook.
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20-10-2016, 02:52 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
i didnt accept it, and it was the men who did it not god. reread
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20-10-2016, 02:57 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(20-10-2016 02:52 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i didnt accept it, and it was the men who did it not god. reread

Now you're simply spewing nonsense, you have zero scriptural support for what you are saying, you are not fooling anyone with your pathetic denials.

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