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22-10-2016, 02:29 PM (This post was last modified: 22-10-2016 03:47 PM by Commonsensei.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  a thousand years is like a day to god.
biblehub.com/2_peter/3-8.htm

Round of applause. You did listen (sort of)

The quote is.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So let me ask you this. In this same chapter. The author talks about other things. Such as beliving animals can talk.

2 Peter 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.


Refering back to

Numbers 22:28 - 30 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.


He also refers to Lot as a Righteous man.

The same Lot that offered his two virgin daughters to a mob at Sodom so they could Rape them. And who later raped his daughters when he was drunk.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes.

Genesis 19:30-36 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

So I ask the question. Do you believe animals can speak? And I do mean human words, in complete sentences, specifically Donkey's, Snakes.
If yes. There is little help I can offer you. Seek theropy. Or if you have proof. Present it.
If no. Why do you ignore that bit? But accept the earlier statement?


(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  as i told you christians are ignorant of the bible too,

Believe me we already know.

(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  the bible says you let them kill you

I didn't let anyone kill me. If I didn't I would be sitting here typeing this right now.

(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  as god himself exampled that and not an ordinary jew as paul says i tell them to imitate but they dont.

... uh .. what?

(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  show me the verses again so i can show you that there not inconsistent.


Which one? The Pharohs heart thing? You can't turn back one or two pages?

(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  so i proved that god didnt order to kill those babies right.

OH youre looking for the parts were god wants to kill baby's.

We could be here a while.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14

Just a taste. I didn't bring up the bits with war or genocide because I could be typing all day.

(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  and jesus took his body so no evidence,

Well that's convent isn't it.

If you believe that. Would you believe that I have a Dragon in my Garage?

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm

(22-10-2016 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  and this is the evidence i can find for the flood,
http://www.earthage.org/.../scientific_e..._flood.htm

How did the Penguins survive the trip to the middle east and back?
Was it predominantly salt of fresh water?
Where did your god move the firmament?
Why dose the fossle records support this calm?
Why doesn't the geological evidence support this claim?
How can over 8.7 million animals species, of fungi, plantae, animalia, protozoic fit on 450 foot boat?
What did they eat? Parasites, carnivores, and scavenger, animals with specific diets.
Where did all that extra water go?

These are question you need to ask yourself. And find the answers to prior to going any further in this claim.

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Now if you made it this far. Let me ask you this. If The bible is the only reference point for the exsitance of your god. If we subtracted that from the equation. If we simply ignored this book. What would be your evidence?

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22-10-2016, 03:05 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(22-10-2016 11:07 AM)socialistview Wrote:  sorry im using a playstation, i ment to say that god jesus said to not fight but let them kill you.

That's the stupidest fucking advice I've heard all week. If someone so much as raises a hand against Me, I intend to defend and retaliate as the situation demands. In fact, if I were cornered, either by an armed attacker or by more than one attacker, I would strike with lethal force until able to escape and take My chances with judge and jury later.
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22-10-2016, 03:08 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(22-10-2016 11:07 AM)socialistview Wrote:  sorry im using a playstation, i ment to say that god jesus said to not fight but let them kill you. in theology they say that pharoah was already going to harden his heart, it has that some of the egyptians did fear god but pharoah harden his own heart.

Despite the fact that you have been shown that the Bible say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart, you're going to continue to insist that it isn't so? Facepalm

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22-10-2016, 03:12 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(22-10-2016 03:05 PM)Astreja Wrote:  
(22-10-2016 11:07 AM)socialistview Wrote:  sorry im using a playstation, i ment to say that god jesus said to not fight but let them kill you.

That's the stupidest fucking advice I've heard all week. If someone so much as raises a hand against Me, I intend to defend and retaliate as the situation demands. In fact, if I were cornered, either by an armed attacker or by more than one attacker, I would strike with lethal force until able to escape and take My chances with judge and jury later.

In most cases you wouldn't even be charged.

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22-10-2016, 03:19 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(22-10-2016 03:12 PM)Chas Wrote:  In most cases you wouldn't even be charged.

Precisely. I have everything to gain and very, very little to lose by fighting back, and am familiar enough with self-defence laws and human physiology to know when to stop beating the living crap out of someone, find a place of safety, and call 911.
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22-10-2016, 04:53 PM
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I think the best argument against self defense is if I hadn't fought back when some rando asshole pulled on me I wouldn't be here to witness this guys stupidity firsthand and that doesn't sound so bad.

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22-10-2016, 08:54 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(22-10-2016 04:53 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  I think the best argument against self defense is if I hadn't fought back when some rando asshole pulled on me I wouldn't be here to witness this guys stupidity firsthand and that doesn't sound so bad.

Huh I'm having a hard time parsing that. Consider

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22-10-2016, 10:42 PM
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good god icant even begin to explain your blantent use of the text to fill your mind witgods bad. moses said that not god, the people so god punished them like david killing the wifes husband. is that all you got yes i guess god harden it as he is indirectly involved in everybodies actions as god. the bible says if you die your reward is in heaven, anything you do on earth thats your reward, very convienent to believe that you have a promise if you believe, the apostles did that and we will have to too against the antichrist.
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22-10-2016, 10:44 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Maybe you should pray for a talented English teacher ... I can understand enough to see that it's drivel, and that's about it.
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22-10-2016, 11:44 PM (This post was last modified: 23-10-2016 12:00 AM by Grasshopper.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(22-10-2016 03:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-10-2016 11:07 AM)socialistview Wrote:  sorry im using a playstation, i ment to say that god jesus said to not fight but let them kill you. in theology they say that pharoah was already going to harden his heart, it has that some of the egyptians did fear god but pharoah harden his own heart.

Despite the fact that you have been shown that the Bible say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart, you're going to continue to insist that it isn't so? Facepalm

You are a special kind of stupid. Drinking Beverage

What's funny about all this is that when I googled "Pharoah hardened heart", I came up with a page from the Skeptics Annotated Bible ("Who hardened Pharoah's heart?") that had two sections: (1) God did (with about a dozen verses from Exodus), and (2) Pharaoh did (4 verses, I think). So there are verses to support either view. What does this mean? Either Pharoah's heart was hardened more than once, and God did some of them, or the Bible can't make up its fucking mind whether it was God or Pharoah. Either way, it doesn't look good for our friend's case.

And when he says "theology says...", I want to ask whose theology? Jews? Catholics? Muslims? Orthodox? Lutherans? Calvinists? Baptists? Because they're all different.

Theology: the stupid science (Bucky Ball).
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